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Vatican attacks US abortion move

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posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 06:36 PM
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When someone says: "its physical and its growing - that makes it alive" - at least that is a logical argument. Even though I differ because I believe physical is a creation - "something like" the Matrix - - but created by energy spirit consciousness (and No I did not get my belief from the move Matrix. It is a belief I've had since I was very young).

When someone argues: "its God's word" - - I ask myself: Where does God's word come from? It comes from the word of man. Sorry but that is the truth. (yes I know all about man was divinely inspired and all that - God's word came through man etc.)

I see no logical or real basis for the argument.

In my opinion - - the most responsible people in this world are the ones who choose not to bring another life into it - - that they are not fully ready to - raise - educate - clothe - etc.




posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by FredT
It amazes me that even after the rampant pedofile priest scandal, the Vatican can still try to assume the moral highground. perhaps one should keep ones house clean before commenting on others :shk:


Yes. It isn't so much that there were pedophiles - because pedophiles put themselves in positions they have access to children.

Its the cover-ups. And there were a lot of them over many years.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 06:50 PM
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Greetings......Iam on board with your opinion as it applies to a persons own personal business.....What I don't understand is ...WHY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT HAS TO GET INVOLVED EITHER !!Abortion is your own personal sin and it should remain personal....It does not need presidential approval or dis approval....



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 06:52 PM
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But it does requre presidential approval to reume providing funds for groups that do offer abortions. They offer other things too but the religious right sort of hijacked the Oval Office for the last 8 years eh?



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 06:53 PM
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Forget Gods word or mans word....you owe to your self to see first hand the brutality of this procedure....I promise you it will make you sick!!



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 06:59 PM
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Thats Irrelevant and mostly propaganda IMHO. Its one fo the Strawman the Operation Rescue types love to throw out. Having been a clinic escort for PP you can imagne my thoughts on the matter



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 07:00 PM
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Point taken.....The only thing that the religious right was sucessfull at ...was to stop the murdering of a baby that might survive the procedure that dismembers the un born....I can see you have a flare for the latin vulgate....



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by theodorej
reply to post by Annee
 


Forget Gods word or mans word....you owe to your self to see first hand the brutality of this procedure....I promise you it will make you sick!!



I have seen it first hand . . . . which gives more credibility & validity to my opinions.

I'm not flapping my idealistic gums.

Next.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Ciphor
You cannot argue it's not a life because if you don't interfere it will exist and die on it's own.


Physical is secondary to energy spirit. Physical is a chosen experience creation - but not necessary or a requirement for the eternal energy spirit.

Spirit energy chooses to have a physical experience. Spirit energy chooses a physical host. Physical host chooses not to have the experience with this Spirit energy at this time.

Spirit energy which is eternal - chooses another physical host.

There is no death.



I'm not flapping my idealistic gums.

Next.


heh, really now?



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by nickendres

heh, really now?


I would appreciate it if you did not hack - cut and paste my posts. Taking out of context 2 lines making a point - - then posting them at the bottom of a previous post - - which is unrelated.

Thank you for your cooperation.

I see you are new. There are rules against one line posts.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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It just blows my mind how someone can state they are christian and value the teachings of christ and recognize Jesus as their lord and savior, and then condone the killing of a human life. This isn't particularly directed at any one individual, it is a simple observation. Now don't get me wrong, I am not perfect by any means nor do I believe that everything I do would be deemed holy, but like I said I am firm in what I believe. I understand that I cannot control the actions of others, but I do believe strongly in practice what you preach. If you preach peace, then I'd expect you to choose a peaceful solutions over conflict, if you preach and agree with the views of the republican party I wouldn't expect you to vote democrat in an election. Simply enough, if you notify yourself to the world as a christian I at least, to some extent hope that you try to use your knowledge of the teaching of Jesus and God, and at least make some attempt to reflect thoes beliefs in your every day life. But in all honesty, being truthful to your word and letting your actions reflect your beliefs extends beyond any particular faith, because all faiths have one common underlying idea, and that is based on your actions within this life, will determine the happenings in the next. Unless your Atheist of course, but even then, being true to your word makes you a trustworthy person, and that is something of value.

[edit on 28-1-2009 by nickendres]



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 09:10 PM
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Who cares what the Vatican says? Really, it's an elderly institution that is out of touch with the modern world. It's claim to be a moral authority is now laughable, thanks to a string of sexual allegations and it's horrid claims that Homosexuality is abhorrent.

Anyway, thankfully the United States and Obama won't listen and the funding will be unlocked, thereby allowing decreased population pressure.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 09:29 PM
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The Vatican's form of safe sex is mollesting little boys -

They'd rather see wars go on as a form of population control
but little innocent altar boys who haven't been born yet - thats the
devils work..

Yah know I'm a former Catholic - and this is such an old school religion with not future thoughts or actions.

Go on with your abortion its your way of keeping your unborn child from this hell on earth!



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 10:59 PM
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its wrong. its murder. murder is wrong. no way around it. i'm not drinking the kool aid. it's a living being, from day one. it's not about religion that's a distraction it's about right and wrong.

the vatican is right.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by theodorej
reply to post by TasteTheMagick
 


Greetings......Iam on board with your opinion as it applies to a persons own personal business.....What I don't understand is ...WHY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT HAS TO GET INVOLVED EITHER !!Abortion is your own personal sin and it should remain personal....It does not need presidential approval or dis approval....



Hey there. I think I said at the beginning of all this, and somewhere in another thread as well, that I don't think that money should be being sent to ANY institution abroad. The US doesn't have enough money for themselves, we definitely don't need to be sending the money we have to other countries. I think the big problem is, we're going to send money to these institutions/companies anyway...why is it that we should exclude institutions that provide information about abortions and contraceptives or groups that perform or hand out the above mentioned?

It really SHOULDN'T need presidential approval or otherwise because this whole thing was decided 30 years ago with Roe V. Wade. However, the last 8 years have proved that one president with some fanatical beliefs can screw up a lot of things.

I really don't think we should be sending money anywhere, but if we're going to anyway, why exclude those groups specifically?



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 02:17 AM
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Come on guys everyone knows Marry kept her rape baby .. So should you .. Heck just like her little rape baby he may become the next messiah right ...right? Awww
(2009 years later still too soon?)

[Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione]

[edit on 29-1-2009 by d11_m_na_c05]



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by d11_m_na_c05
Come on guys everyone knows Marry kept her rape baby .. So should you .. Heck just like her little rape baby he may become the next messiah right ...right? Awww
(2009 years later still too soon?)

[Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione]

[edit on 29-1-2009 by d11_m_na_c05]


Artificially inseminated in an abduction.

There is no need to be obscene.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 11:10 AM
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Here we go again with the Slavery issue.
Vatican and a few here say that it is OK for a fetus to make a slave out of a woman for maybe 20 years.

And btw since I have not read all 14 pages, has anyone asked you pro-lifers to explain how it is that your God commited horrible acts of killing children both born and unborn.
And I really would like to hear what the Vatican has to say about this too, as it is in their "operating manural".

Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.

Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.

2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?

1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.

Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.

Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by OhZone
And btw since I have not read all 14 pages,


You should, it's an interesting read.


Originally posted by OhZone
has anyone asked you pro-lifers to explain how it is that your God commited horrible acts of killing children both born and unborn.


How many has God created? How many has He killed? People created zero, how many have people killed?


Originally posted by OhZone
And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life.


He is, He created it. He also has the authority to take it away. We do not. Keep reading that Book, the answers are in there. You don't need me.

[edit on 29-1-2009 by saint4God]



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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So, you are saying that if one day science creates LIFE (Artificial Intelligence, for example) that it has right to take it away ???

What's up with children already born ?

Nobody asks them anything, if there is a dangerous surgery to be performed nobody asks the kid, parent has a supreme authority. In that case government cannot do anything.

Yep, if you are unborn, you should be protected, as soon as you are born, well, screw you, till you reach military age, of course, then, suddenly you are important again



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