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Marines force of 20,000 seen for Afghanistan

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posted on Jan, 25 2009 @ 04:21 PM
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I find the choice of the Marine Corps highly significant, especially given Obama's rhetoric towards Pakistan. The Marines have traditionally be used for fast, aggressive, offensive operations, while occupation and counter insurgency has typically been the purview of the Army. Now I recognize that the Marines have been operating outside of their traditional role in Iraq, but this influx of marines could be an indication of an imminent action against Pakistan, with the marines acting as the spearhead. Watch this move closely.




posted on Jan, 25 2009 @ 04:21 PM
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Here is the reason we are in Afghanistan...

The second option is to build a pipeline south from Central Asia to the Indian Ocean. One obvious route south would cross Iran, but this is foreclosed for American companies because of U.S. sanctions legislation. The only other possible route is across Afghanistan, which has of course its own unique challenges. The country has been involved in bitter warfare for almost two decades, and is still divided by civil war. From the outset, we have made it clear that construction of the pipeline we have proposed across Afghanistan could not begin until a recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders, and our company.


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Since the clear point of our presence in the Mideast is RESOURCE CONTROL we will not ever "leave" the area. You can't control the RESOURCES from Washington DC any longer via proxy as we have been doing since the the late 1800's.



posted on Jan, 25 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by magicmushroom


It would appear from this comment that the US has yet to learn that it cannot win such conflicts. Given the fact that it was not long ago that the mighty Soviet Union left Afganistan with its tail between its legs how long before the US does the same.

Just what ios it that the American military planners think they can achive that the Russians could not. And after getting nowhere in 5 years of conflict in Iraq this proves the point does it not.

www.reuters.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


Yeah but..
This is different the the Russia Occupation, is it not?

US funded some Malitia groups there.. Plus America isn't trying to take ceaze the land and keep it. They are trying to fight the threat, not the government and people.. etc



posted on Jan, 25 2009 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by Orwells Ghost
I find the choice of the Marine Corps highly significant, especially given Obama's rhetoric towards Pakistan. The Marines have traditionally be used for fast, aggressive, offensive operations, while occupation and counter insurgency has typically been the purview of the Army. Now I recognize that the Marines have been operating outside of their traditional role in Iraq, but this influx of marines could be an indication of an imminent action against Pakistan, with the marines acting as the spearhead. Watch this move closely.



Taliban


The Taliban initially enjoyed enormous good will from Afghans weary of the corruption, brutality, and incessant fighting of Mujahideen warlords. Two contrasting narratives explain the beginnings of the Taliban.[14] One is that the rape and murder of boys and girls from a family traveling to Kandahar or a similar outrage by Mujahideen bandits sparked Mullah Omar and his students to vow to rid Afghanistan of these criminals.[15] The other is that the Pakistan-based truck shipping mafia known as the "Afghanistan Transit Trade" and their allies in the Pakistan government, trained, armed, and financed the Taliban to clear the southern road across Afghanistan to the Central Asian Republics of extortionate bandit gangs.[16]

Alhough there is no evidence that the CIA directly supported the Taliban or Al Qaeda, some basis for military support of the Taliban was provided when, in the early 1980s, the CIA and the ISI (Pakistan's Interservices Intelligence Agency) provided arms to Afghans resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and the ISI assisted the process of gathering radical Muslims from around the world to fight against the Soviets. Osama Bin Laden was one of the key players in organizing training camps for the foreign Muslim volunteers. The U.S. poured funds and arms into Afghanistan, and "by 1987, 65,000 tons of U.S.-made weapons and ammunition a year were entering the war."[17]

The Taliban were based in the Helmand, Kandahar, and Uruzgan regions and were overwhelmingly ethnic Pashtuns and predominantly Durrani Pashtuns.[18]

The first major military activity of the Taliban was in October-November 1994 when they marched from Maiwand in southern Afghanistan to capture Kandahar City and the surrounding provinces, losing only a few dozen men.[19] Starting with the capture of a border crossing and a huge ammunition dump from warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, a few weeks later they freed "a convoy trying to open a trade route from Pakistan to Central Asia" from another group of warlords attempting to extort money.[20] In the next three months this hitherto "unknown force" took control of twelve of Afghanistan's 34 provinces, with Mujahideen warlords often surrendering to them without a fight and the "heavily armed population" giving up their weapons.[21] By September 1996 they had captured Afghanistan's capital, Kabul.



The Marines being moved is a sign to watch. Good point.
With the withdrawal from Iraq now that it is coming to an end there, there can be more of a focus on the real threats from Al-Qaida and the Taliban, where it should have been focused all these years and not Iraq!

Whether the world views the Taliban as a Freedom fighter force being supported by Pakistan or an old CIA created Mujahedeen anti-soviet hold out either way the US must deal with them and take it down.



[edit on 25-1-2009 by SLAYER69]



posted on Jan, 25 2009 @ 07:19 PM
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The US presence in Afghanistan is to ensure that RESOURCES FLOW. Look at my other post above and you will see that LAND is a valuable resource that allows other resources like NG and OIL to flow to US.



posted on Jan, 25 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by magicmushroom
The US has no business being in Afgansitan and neither dose anyone else.


Opium /heroin. It is how the farmers surive, they have NO other option but to grow the stuff, because the market has been manipulated.
That is one Business, they speak out of line - straight into Guantanamo (or worse).



The US is only there because its Israeli masters have ordered it so, that and the fuel supplies is all that matters.


Quite true. Also see above. Jigsaw falls into place.



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