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reply posted on 25-1-2009 @ 06:07 AM by FlyersFan
reply to post by Frankidealist35



That's your third post about 'bad conservatives' but the fact is that there have been just as many threads about Bush43 being evil or being the anti-christ throughout the years. Obama has his birth certificate controversy, but Bush has his AWOL controversy. There is no difference.


Originally posted by Mynaeris
the middle east forum is another forum where a number of israeli members come online late at night (US night) and bait and complain.

How many are a 'number'?
Are their complaints true or do you just not like what they say?
How do you know they are from Israel? Do they say they are?

The MODS can see where people post from.
Would a MOD please either verify or debunk this statement.
Are we being targetted by a group from Israel or not?

Thank you.


reply posted on 25-1-2009 @ 06:48 AM by wayno
reply to post by ipsedixit




I have been slamming Bush since I got on these forums and am now retooling to begin slamming Obama.

I think I know what you mean, but the words you used border on a violation of t&c in as much as you say you are preparing to slam the "person" and not the "actions" of the person.
Get it? Go ahead and criticize or correct what someone does or says if you believe it was wrong, but leave the doer of the deed alone.
At lease thats how I take it.
Personally I think it gets hard not to attack the person him/herself after a long while of their doing bad or stupid things.
So now I am contradicting myself.
I actually have a hard time with rules when they are applied in an absolute fashion by persons on a power trip. That's why I keep getting asked (politely) to go away by the SO.


reply posted on 25-1-2009 @ 12:34 PM by Irish M1ck
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



I have to make two points.

1) I think just because some immature people may have called others "Bushies" is a lame reason to continue to allow this High School like attitude.

2) Worse than name calling is the intentional circumvention of reason.

Basically, nothing is worse than getting called an Obamabot, while arguing with someone who doesn't find logic useful. So, while you may *understand* why it seems okay to call us Obamabots, I have to disagree.

Most of the "anti-Obama" threads have been absolutely disgraceful to this site, and quite frankly, it is my opinion, that you should be extremely thankful we are here to balance the scales.

It may be a conspiracy site, but I don't think that gives any excuse for the lack of quality accusations against him.

Oh, and final point. If you really want to compare people now to how people behaved about Bush, then you need to compare it to the 2000 elections and not 2004.


reply posted on 25-1-2009 @ 12:54 PM by Benevolent Heretic
First of all, I'm glad to see this thread. Thanks to staff for making this decision.

Secondly, just a word of unsolicited advice to my Irish bud and any other "Obamabots" (like myself) on the board.

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
1) I think just because some immature people may have called others "Bushies" is a lame reason to continue to allow this High School like attitude.


I have used the word "Bushies" on this board. Yes, it's immature. What can I say? I'm young for my age.

I don't like the implications when someone says I'm an Obamabot, either. Those implications being that I voted for him for some other reason than I liked and agreed with most of his policies and think he's going to take the right direction for this country. And that I'm some sort of mindless automaton who supports the guy without any thought whatsoever in my brain.

But YOU know they're wrong. I know they're wrong. They even know they're wrong. Anyone who's ever read our posts knows they're wrong. Both of us know why we support the guy. And it's not because we "lurve" him or think he's a "savior" or "messiah". And it's CERTAINLY not because we are without thought. I think it's pretty clear that we are thinking just fine.

People say that to bug you and nothing more. Don't let it bug you. You (and I) have the wherewithal and the power to blow it off. Just a suggestion. It's what I plan to do.



reply posted on 25-1-2009 @ 04:10 PM by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Originally posted by Asherah
I don't have a problem with anyone who is critical of Obama...

Nor do I.

However, I and some other staff have been noticing an irrational sensitivity from many toward harsh criticism of Obama. Some of the rhetoric from partisan mainstream media is compounding the problem, but certainly his staunch supporters need to realize that he is certainly not off-limits.

Because of this surprising amount of criticism sensitivity in some, I can *understand* where terms like "Obamaites" and "Obamanuts" come from. Just as liberals often referred to Republicans as "Repugnants." Just like any such general term, usage is important. When used an insult directed toward a member, that's bad and warnable. When used to define a generalized attitude of a group of people, it ain't great but most likely not warnable.

Make sense?


Actually SO, I believe that it degrades the subject at all if people are calling the other side names, I don't care if it is a person or not.

If we can't discuss politics without using snide comments when we reference common terms then we just can't really discuss politics.

If everytime I say conservative I print CONServative, I might as well be poking the conservative reader in the chest with a stiff finger.

At the end of the day, disgust and repugnance is something that should be shown to the general reader only on the rare occasion. It's like profanity.. there is a time and a place for it, yet constant profanity is a nuisance to us all. In much the same way, constant defamation is a nuisance to civil discussion.

We really can't have it both ways... either we stop calling the other side names, or we stop having civil discussion.


reply posted on 25-1-2009 @ 06:16 PM by Elder1952
reply to post by SkepticOverlord



ATS Administrators,
I have read and understand fully the nature of Civility and Decorum, and will conduct myself accordingly, being worthy of character and behavior at-all-times!!!
'THANK YOU" for allowing to become a Member of ATS!!!
Respectfully submitted, C.T.R.,
Elder1952


reply posted on 25-1-2009 @ 07:35 PM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by FlyersFan


There is a huge difference. For one, we weren't questioning whether Bush was born in America or not. I just think that some of the discussions went into the deep end. I also don't recall as my time here in the Bush years there ever being this many discussion threads with people calling Obama the anti christ or the christ or whatever. I didn't mean to make my post seem like I was just bashing Republicans or the 43rd administration, I was just stating, that conservatives do it too. You can't just have one side not be able to bash the other side and have a political discussion... both sides need to be able to bash each other.

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reply posted on 26-1-2009 @ 02:46 AM by Cedik
one of the reasons for this perceived slide from civility is that some people believe 'the hype' and other maintain their orginal feelings.

e.g

1. America is still America no matter who is in charge, or how their policies change.

2. People see the unhappiness/inequality within/without the USA and 'HOPE' that Obama will deliver them from this, at this point things go wrong. People should judge people on what they do not what they say. Just because someone says they are going to do something good doesnt mean they actually are.

We can all look at the evidence of the past and assume what will happen in the future. We cannot be sure. People need to remember this.


I for one have no faith in the American political system, of its ability to deliver positive change to the American public. I see evidence around the world of policies being put into place that would be more comfortable in '1984'. This is REAL, not the product of a spindoctors pen relayed through a skilled orator.

I do not think that Obama will help us in any way, many of my friends do however. They deserve a chance to see with their own eyes what will happen, not be bullied by aggressive posters who are SURE of something that hasnt happened yet.

To conclude. Until we the people have the balls to actually stand up for ourselves and make changes we will always be stuck at the business end of these shysters. If you dont have the balls to do it yourself, dont get angry with others who dont share your beliefs.


reply posted on 26-1-2009 @ 06:42 AM by Frankidealist35
reply to post by Cedik



I understand your cynicism towards the US political system but I would not be happy in giving up our Democracy for a 1984 totalitarian system. I think Obama has the potential to make great changes. He is sitting at the top with a huge amount of popularity which most US Presidents don't have.

I think he can do a great job and pull out of the crises as a hero if he wants to. Most US Presidents achieve greatness from after a time of crisis.

I'm not saying he is great-- I just think he has a shot.

But, SO was asking people on BOTH sides to be civil. So you be civil to the American members here like myself too. I still have some faith in Democracy. I just wish that our government would stop being a corpotocracy and go back to being a liberal Democracy which is what it is supposed to be.
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