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President Barack Obama’s plan to implement a cap-and-trade program that would cut carbon dioxide emissions by 80 per cent and also sink an already battered U.S. economy into a new great depression has officially been announced on the White House.gov website.
However, the secondary phase of the agenda that would counter-balance such a move, the creation of millions of “green” stasi government jobs, has also been announced.
According to the outline for the Obama-Biden comprehensive New Energy for
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I don't trust www.prisonplanet.com as a valid source.
Also, since when did trying to get us off fossil fuels, and creating green jobs, make our economy worse? Where does Alex Jones get these numbers?
2009 promises to be an exciting time for James Lovelock. But the originator of the Gaia theory, which describes Earth as a self-regulating planet, has a stark view of the future of humanity. He tells Gaia Vince we have one last chance to save ourselves - and it has nothing to do with nuclear power
Your work on atmospheric chlorofluorocarbons led eventually to a global CFC ban that saved us from ozone-layer depletion. Do we have time to do a similar thing with carbon emissions to save ourselves from climate change?
Not a hope in hell. Most of the "green" stuff is verging on a gigantic scam. Carbon trading, with its huge government subsidies, is just what finance and industry wanted. It's not going to do a damn thing about climate change, but it'll make a lot of money for a lot of people and postpone the moment of reckoning. I am not against renewable energy, but to spoil all the decent countryside in the UK with wind farms is driving me mad. It's absolutely unnecessary, and it takes 2500 square kilometres to produce a gigawatt - that's an awful lot of countryside.
What about work to sequester carbon dioxide?
That is a waste of time. It's a crazy idea - and dangerous. It would take so long and use so much energy that it will not be done.
So are we doomed?
There is one way we could save ourselves and that is through the massive burial of charcoal. It would mean farmers turning all their agricultural waste - which contains carbon that the plants have spent the summer sequestering - into non-biodegradable charcoal, and burying it in the soil. Then you can start shifting really hefty quantities of carbon out of the system and pull the CO2 down quite fast.
Would it make enough of a difference?
Yes. The biosphere pumps out 550 gigatonnes of carbon yearly; we put in only 30 gigatonnes. Ninety-nine per cent of the carbon that is fixed by plants is released back into the atmosphere within a year or so by consumers like bacteria, nematodes and worms. What we can do is cheat those consumers by getting farmers to burn their crop waste at very low oxygen levels to turn it into charcoal, which the farmer then ploughs into the field. A little CO2 is released but the bulk of it gets converted to carbon. You get a few per cent of biofuel as a by-product of the combustion process, which the farmer can sell. This scheme would need no subsidy: the farmer would make a profit. This is the one thing we can do that will make a difference, but I bet they won't do it.
Originally posted by Toadmund
Would seem to me that more money would stay in the country since it's not being sent elsewhere to buy oil.
Just think if FREE&trade solar power, wind and stuff like tidal power were utilized, no pollution, and is home grown power, cash stays at home.
Keeping the money at home instead of buying foreign oil, how is that bad for the economy, not to mention the countless jobs created in the environmental field.
The doom and gloom scenario seems painted by big oil.
[edit on 24-1-2009 by Toadmund]
Increase Fuel Economy Standards.
Get 1 Million Plug-In Hybrid Cars on the Road by 2015.
Create a New $7,000 Tax Credit for Purchasing Advanced Vehicles.
Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard.
Promote the Responsible Domestic Production of Oil and Natural Gas.
Deploy the Cheapest, Cleanest, Fastest Energy Source – Energy Efficiency.
Does everything Obama plans on trying to accomplish make sense? Probably not, he is after all NOT the messiah. However, we will learn as we go, sitting on the side of the road bitching and bickering does nothing for us or the planet.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
It seems no one ever learns from their mistakes. I see the plan in discussion as one HUGE side of pork, where much money will be allocated, but without MEASURABLE GOALS, it is doomed to failure. Mark my words.
Care to elaborate? What issues do you specifically see with Obama's 'green plan'? Is there nothing in it that you see as beneficial to the USA at all? Thanks for sharing your point of view mate.