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150,000 foreigners swell UK workforce: Record number get permits as Britons lose jobs

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posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by stewartw2
Seriously I spent years in the UK and rather like the English as a whole-I don't like the ones that come to Australia,


funny the BNP chaps dont mind the Pakistanis that stay in Pakistan, the similarities keep coming har har!



but the ones that are really wedded to this 'little England' style racism.


you need to step out of the past, the ship has sailed that cried "WAH RACIST" at people who demanded a controlled border and restricted immigration, get with the times



it is BS, boils down to class, the Aristocracy screwed you people (assuming you are not upper middle class) fore centuries and now you pick on the Poles-wake up and smell the tea, and see who really stuffed you up.............hint: it isnt the Pakistani family down the road!


none of this makes any sense, even historically it is rather misplaced as Britain has, for several centuries, been one of the better places to live, and has inspired and been the cause of many other such nations to emerge (Australia, US, Canada, New Zealand etc- strangely the places immigrants seem hell bent on trying to reach.......)

Honestly you sound like a kid with a che t shirt on and nike trainers, riddled with irony and hypocrisy




posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 05:42 AM
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Maybe I understand more than you think-I also worked in senior management in the UK-accepting that some of the Marxist paradigm has truth isnt condoning the death of millions in Stalinist societies.
I don't want to harp on about class and the effects of class and how the nobility in the UK truly screwed the lower classes, because it all might offend.
The wroking class was bred like a horse to be strong and LOYAL, hence every working man and his dog has the answers to britains woes and usually it involves booting out foreigners or whatever.
You have been suckered to fight for the interests of those with clipped accents and country manors-and i am not a Marxist.
It never was your England anyway ever!



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 05:43 AM
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Originally posted by stewartw2
the Aristocracy screwed you people (assuming you are not upper middle class) fore centuries and now you pick on the Poles-wake up and smell the tea, and see who really stuffed you up.............hint: it isnt the Pakistani family down the road!

I couldn't agree more and if you'd read all posts you'd know that I don't direct my blame at the immigrants themselves. My blame is aimed specifically at the British government. But just because I don't hate the immigrants themselves, does that mean I'm not allowed to try and prevent my government from bringing them into the country in droves?



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 05:48 AM
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My beef isnt with British culture, rather those who would destroy it due to their own bitterness and hate.

Your ideal Brittain would be a pariah state and a laughing stock-whats British about that? Imagine the UK being ruled by BNP skin.s, what a joke!



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by stewartw2
Your ideal Britain would be a pariah state and a laughing stock-whats British about that? Imagine the UK being ruled by BNP skin.s, what a joke!



No more of a joke than the country as it is, run by the present government who seem to be more interested in giving the immigrants coming to this country more rights than our own people?



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 05:58 AM
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Originally posted by stewartw2

Maybe I understand more than you think-I also worked in senior management in the UK



no surprises there, new Labour preaches about equality, the good little cultural marxists that they are, meanwhile they earn salaries the rest of us can only dream of.........



-accepting that some of the Marxist paradigm has truth isnt condoning the death of millions in Stalinist societies.


this is a nonsense statement, you can find elements of truth in Hitler's programme- Marxism leads to hate, oppression and death



I don't want to harp on about class and the effects of class and how the nobility in the UK truly screwed the lower classes, because it all might offend.


Class has long since ceased to have any meaningful effect on British society, and even when the class system was at its height, Britain still offered a better place to live than most places around the world



The wroking class was bred like a horse to be strong and LOYAL,



Nonsense, it is a British trait stemming from one of the first nations to achieve nationhood- nothing was "bred"



hence every working man and his dog has the answers to britains woes and usually it involves booting out foreigners or whatever.


if that was true the "bred" British working class would have massacred the immigrants 50 years ago, which they didn't. People like you try to prevent sensible debates on immigration only fostering the more extreme aspects of people's nature which forces them to parties on the fringes



You have been suckered to fight for the interests of those with clipped accents and country manors-and i am not a Marxist.
It never was your England anyway ever!


You don't know me and once again fail in your analogy, and Im not English anyway, but British by the grace of God (or DNA)



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:02 AM
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The upper-class (and they still exist) sn-ggers when confronted with the working man and his daily mail and his ideas on how to 'save England'-remember that. its all a conjob, the correct attitude is complete indifference and getting on with ones own life-bettering oneself. Australian nationalists also tend to be losers, most people simply don't care.
Maybe England is infact full: is it really your problem. Surely racial composition isnt, soon Australia will be an outright mixed race society-in about a generation or three-so what.



[edit on 30-1-2009 by stewartw2]



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by stewartw2
The upper-class (and they still exist) sn-ggers when confronted with the working man and his daily mail and his ideas on how to 'save England'-remember that. its all a conjob, the correct attitude is complete indifference and getting on with ones own life-bettering oneself. Australian nationalists also tend to be losers, most people simply don't care.
Maybe England is infact full: is it really your problem. Surely racial composition isnt, soon Australia will be an outright mixed race society-in about a generation or three-so what.


[edit on 30-1-2009 by stewartw2]


you are way off the mark, the ones who really sneer and s'n-word' at the working class are the left wing cultural marxists (middle classes if we must persist with class stuff) who infest the establishment- to them the white working class is a horrendous embarrassment and to be honest, the lower and upper classes (if we must persist with this class nonsense) are much closer than the chattering classes



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:07 AM
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Originally posted by solidshot

Originally posted by stewartw2
Your ideal Britain would be a pariah state and a laughing stock-whats British about that? Imagine the UK being ruled by BNP skin.s, what a joke!



No more of a joke than the country as it is, run by the present government who seem to be more interested in giving the immigrants coming to this country more rights than our own people?


No it would be more of a joke, it is that simple-it would make the UK today paradise. One definite British trait is the to think 'the grass is greener'-When I was there I was most surprised at the livng standard and how high it was-in many ways more so than Australia.



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:14 AM
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Either ways bagging immigrants is as working class as getting blind at the pub and as a matter of self-respect should be avoided. Some attitudes are simply stupid and banal and embarrasing even if they 'are the answer'.

England simply isnt the hell hole you think it is-in many ways it is much better than Australia-in ways I could never explain-the defining difference is the attitude: Australia is actually a hot, dry , boring , isolated place-the houses are rubbish and people drive cars you wouldnt p-ss on-but a positive attitude of its people is its greatest asett.


[edit on 30-1-2009 by stewartw2]

[edit on 30-1-2009 by stewartw2]



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:18 AM
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Ask any Pom who tried living in Oz and returned how hard it is to get a. here-Australians are actually fighters and contrary to perception hard workers-the place itself is no picnic. Most of it is just downright 'Bogan(Australian for Chav)' full of old holdens and fibro houses.
England is quite lavish and bountiful compared to Australia.



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:19 AM
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Originally posted by stewartw2
the correct attitude is complete indifference and getting on with ones own life-bettering oneself.

Is that the correct attitude when faced with Globalism? Government corruption? illegal war? Avert your gaze, ignore it, concentrate on bettering yourself and everything will be fine. To me, bettering oneself includes standing up for what's right.

Besides, mass-immigration is a tool of the Globalist NWO. It is one method by which the plan to erase borders, cultures and national sovereignty so that the power and authority can become centralised. So by fighting infinite immigration, I'm fighting this Globalist agenda.



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:21 AM
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Like the vast majority of Brits I really couldn't give a toss about a person's 'class', same as race etc, it's totally irrelevant to me.

Of course I'm aware that we've been shafted for centuries.
But how the hell does that help me today?
And do you think that you are not been shafted in Oz.
Get real.
It's the same forces at play over there as anywhere.
Australia is not some sort of idyllic paradise....you have more than enough troubles of your own and you are delusional if you think that there aren't people at the top screwing you over, same as anywhere.
You blame 'The Poms' for all your ills yet disregard your problems with Serbs, Croats, Pacific Islanders, Aborigenee's etc.

All I know is that my country is going to the dog's and very little is being done about it.
I hear people blame Labour, Socialists, Conservatives, NWO and you know what, it's all a crock of #!
They are all the same.
Carear politicians there to further their own personal agenda's of increased power, wealth and influence.

Enough is enough, I'm sick of people apportioning blame...I want to know what people are going to do.
We should be DEMANDING that politicians, of all political persuassions take immediate action.
If they don't then maybe it's about time we did it for them!

As I stated previously; I have lot's of questions, like a lot of people, but at least I recognise that I don't have the answers and as far as I can see neither does anyone else!



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
Of course I'm aware that we've been shafted for centuries.
But how the hell does that help me today?
And do you think that you are not been shafted in Oz.
Get real.


exactly mate, and it certainly isnt the "upper classes" who are trying to restrict our freedoms with ever more pervasise laws, intrusions etc- it is the middle class/political class of new labour/new tory!



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:31 AM
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Great and people will take you for an old fashioned racist and you will also hurt the feelings of Pakistanis who have done nothing to harm you. if indeed you are correct and open borders are a tool of the NWO-perhaps fight them wthout become a racist and in the unlikely event of them being defeated their entire agenda will go down. Do you think the BNP really care about the NWO-they just hate darkies. Finding rational progressive reasons to indulge in xenophobia is fairly silly really. So if you accept immigration you are giving in to NWO dictates and if you don't you are a BNP thug-seems to me it is better to be indifferent on this one.



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by stewartw2


Great and people will take you for an old fashioned racist and you will also hurt the feelings of Pakistanis who have done nothing to harm you. if indeed you are correct and open borders are a tool of the NWO-perhaps fight them wthout become a racist and in the unlikely event of them being defeated their entire agenda will go down. Do you think the BNP really care about the NWO-they just hate darkies. Finding rational progressive reasons to indulge in xenophobia is fairly silly really. So if you accept immigration you are giving in to NWO dictates and if you don't you are a BNP thug-seems to me it is better to be indifferent on this one.


I support a proper immigration policy with limited immigration for those with necessary skills and attributes *and the occasional genuine asylum seeker* whilst all illegals should be deported with as much switfness as possible.

I am not a BNP thug

Problem solved



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:37 AM
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Did my last posts portray Australia as paradise??? but..............has the working man been shafted in Australia...NO NO and NO. Australia is truly really a working mans paradise and thats why ALL (I never met one that didnt) working class Australians LOVE the place , sing its praises till it drives you mad.
I actually dislike this aspect of the place........but if you are working class there is no better place to be-although there is no more Anglo-Aussie working class anyway-JUST middle class living the McMansion Aussie dream!


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posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by blueorder

I support a proper immigration policy with limited immigration for those with necessary skills and attributes *and the occasional genuine asylum seeker* whilst all illegals should be deported with as much switfness as possible.

I am not a BNP thug

Problem solved


Think that's something the majority of Brit's on here would agree with.
Pretty simple really put like that.

Oh, and I am a Skin. but most definately not a sterotyped racist thug, like the majority of skin.s!



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:47 AM
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England isnt going to the dogs, I though it way better than Australia for instance (and the vast majority of Aussies love Australia and think it the best place on earth) and that was comparing pretty base material things-homes cars, shopping, towns. I only returned because it wasnt home to me-not becuase a objectively prefered Oz. Unfortunately this irrational bagging of the UK and imiganing it as worse than it is feeds into irrational right wing poilitical views.



posted on Jan, 30 2009 @ 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by stewartw2

England isnt going to the dogs, I though it way better than Australia for instance (and the vast majority of Aussies love Australia and think it the best place on earth) and that was comparing pretty base material things-homes cars, shopping, towns. I only returned because it wasnt home to me-not becuase a objectively prefered Oz. Unfortunately this irrational bagging of the UK and imiganing it as worse than it is feeds into irrational right wing poilitical views.


given your world view and what you have stated on this thread, I am not surprised that you think the UK is better, that is no recommendation for the UK!




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