150,000 foreigners swell UK workforce: Record number get permits as Britons lose jobs

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Originally posted by Freeborn
As for the BNP, they will never get elected, their nationalist platform is contrary to the vision of a Federal European State which is the ultimate desire of those who really run things.

As always Freeborn, your insight doesn't fail to disappoint. You're absolutely right about the BNP. I still have my reservations about them, but as events unfold, I realise more and more that they're the only tangeable party who are fighting for the British people. Still, they'll NEVER gain power. The political system - hell, the WORLD - is owned by people who will never allow such power to slip into such hands. And they absolutely have the power to prevent any organisation they choose rising to power.

Originally posted by Freeborn
Every day, in every town and city in this once great United Kingdom people are having this discussion in pubs and clubs etc, but what do we do about it?
Nothing!

Absolutely! It's easy to conclude that a secret vote for the BNP is our only resolve. But surely there are other options (too).

The only thing that makes sense in this insanity is a possible short term cash flow for the government.

A new arrival who comes with just a couple of suitcases of personal items needs...a place to stay (therefore the rent market picks up in the short term to accommodate them)

A car to get to work in. So they immediately start to pay tax through petrol, insurance, registration, new licenses, tolls on highways (if they have road tolls there of course)

Furniture for this new place - new lounge, dining table and chairs, beds, wardrobes etc.
Other household items like kettles, toasters, heaters, bedding and manchester, televisions, dvd players, cd players and extras like DVD movies, music CDs, dishes and cutlery sets cups mugs, fridge, dryer, washing machine, and many other everyday items you can think of to add to the list.

If they arrive with children its an even bigger bonus with Xboxes, video games, assorted toys and gadgets, kids bikes, skate boards, if they are school age school fees school uniforms bags shoes etc and of course new everyday clothes to wear skirts, jumpers, tops, shoes, shorts, trousers etc.

If they have babies - cots prams/strollers, baby wear etc

And of course all the items that the parents will need like jewellery makeup,
work clothes etc etc.

Then they immediately start buying things like groceries, deposits for gas, electricity, phone, internet.....

Now this is all just to start up a new flat/house immediately after getting off the plane.
Rinse and repeat for the following year and the next batch.

There must be at a minimum if they are really frugal at least $12,000 AUD per family (a little less for individuals) worth of instant money that gets funnelled into the economy and the government through extra taxes immediately.

I've thought about this a lot over the years and couldn't work out why any government would do this.

But I think the figures speak for themselves.

I also assume because these people are migrating legally that they either have a job to come to or are flushed with funds to tide them over till they get employment.

So, it's not so insane from the governments point of view when you do the math.

BTW I'm not in agreement with this. In the long term it costs but all governments care about is what money they have during their term in office.

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Here in the US we have a law firm that goes around advising corporations on how to skirt around the immigration laws so they can replace their workers with foreigners. What they do is they place ads for jobs in major newspapers and collect applications, then they find some fault, however small, with the applications and declare the applicants unqualified, next they go to the government and show them that there is a lack of qualified applicants and that they need to recruit workers from outside the US to fill the jobs. These aren't working class jobs, either, these are jobs that require a high level of education or training to perform. So what we have is our colleges, universities and technical schools churning out more and more graduates every year who will have no jobs to go to because of all the foreigners being brought in. I would imagine the situation is the same in Britain. So everyone should just drop out of college now and prepare themselves for a lifetime of working behind a retail counter or in food service for not much more than the minimum wage, because those are the only jobs you'll be getting.

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The BNP is portrayed as an extreme, Neo-Nazi party in MSM and as such no balanced debate about their policies is allowed.

To be perfectly honest I would never want the BNP to be elected into power, however, I do sympathise with some of their policies, not just on immigration and I do, and shall continue to, vote for them, but more as a protest vote.

We need someone, or something, to shake things up and to wake the major parties up.

Politicians should be elected to parliament to represent the wishes of the people, somehow this has been turned around to become a system where politicians believe they have right to tell us what to do.
It's all arse about face.

The party politics system and current electoral procedure has failed us.
I honestly believe we need some sort of proportional representation system.

Immigration has become a taboo subject and any discussion on it is not allowed, hardly democratic or representative of a free society.

I know plenty of British citizens, many from immigrant origins themselves, who are very, very concerned about immigration levels and the 'type' of immigrants being allowed into this country.

Black, Sikh etc immigrants have contributed immensely to the development of the UK and have enhanced our country....but this immigration happened in times of plenty and there was room, put quite simply....
WE ARE FULL and can not allow anyone else in unless they offer something we currently don't have.

How do we stimulate debate and discussion on immigration and awareness of our cultural identity?
I don't know.
But I suspect it will take positive and direct action to force this issue.
If we don't then we will soon be a third world country under the control of the mullahs and sharia law.

Scaremongering?
Possibly.
But something needs to be done, NOW!

Originally posted by Freeborn
I do, and shall continue to, vote for them, but more as a protest vote.

We need someone, or something, to shake things up and to wake the major parties up.

I've never voted BNP before, but plan to come the Euro elections. Like you, I don't particularly want them in power - not because I believe they'd be tyrannical, but more because I'm unsure that they have the experience and know-how to fix this mess. Besides, can you imagine the rioting that would occur if a BNP government tried to round up all illegal immigrants and asylum seekers? Or if they implemented their policy of encouraging immigrants to return home? It would be a mess... though perhaps not more of a mess than we're likely to face should immigration NOT be capped.

But yes, it's a strong message to the major parties and one that's difficult to make by other means.

Originally posted by Freeborn
WE ARE FULL

All cultural issues aside, Britain is vastly overpopulated. Above anything else, this is what concerns me most. I've read that for Britain to be self-sustainable (not reliant on imports to survive), we'd need a maximum of 30 million inhabitants. We're at least double that now. Self-sufficiency is a strong belief of mine so I'd prefer to work towards it. This requires a complete halt on ALL forms of immigration (Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem will NOT commit to this), and a shake up of the benefits system to prevent huge birthrates (particularly among immigrant communities who produce more children than the native population).

I don't see them struggling for support this time round.

Originally posted by Freeborn
Let's get one thing straight;
Brown is not a Socialist and is not the leader of a Socialist government.
New Labour is far, far removed from the Socialist leaning beginnings of the Labour Party.

You are kidding me right. They are socialist. If they were like the Tories then they wouldn't have such obscene taxeson things such as inheritance and income.

Originally posted by Freeborn
Immigration levels have been intolerable for years now but those of us who predicted this scenario were shouted down and labelled 'racist' by the PC brigade.

I have had this problem for ages but no one around me seems willing to see it. Even people around me point the finger and cry "racist" at the moment I mention that immigration is out of control and that we should deport more immigrants.

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140,000 employment visas issued annually to US www.abovetopsecret.com... i think you are wrong deltaboy in your statement about brits blaming the foreigners for their woes.

Sorry but considering the size of your country and population compared to ours that is a tiny amount compared to what is being handed out here.

Originally posted by ReelView
But the slave labor aside, companies like JC Penney (Knight of Malta links) hire the H1 because it facilitates the dumbing down of Americans.

Can we please not go Malta-bashing on this. Since joining the EU they have one of the worlds worst immigration problems.

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OOHHH those evil immigrants are the cause of everything bad-don't people like you get tired spinning the same 'fear' stories. If there are no jobs the immigrants will leave-if they are willing to work harder for less so be it-can't hide behind your race for priveliges forever!

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Originally posted by stewartw2
OOHHH those evil immigrants are the cause of everything bad-don't people like you get tired spinning the same 'fear' stories.

Classic disinformation - paint all concerns as trivial and unfounded! Next you'll bring out the "R" word.

These aren't 'fear' stories stewartw2. Whilst very few of us pin the blame on the immigrants themselves, we are correct to pin blame on 'immigration' as a whole. Doesn't matter what ethnicity those immigrants are so it has nothing to do with race. If there's ONE thing that DOES have an enormous impact in a nation's health, it is the ratio between people and resources. In fact, it's probably the single BIGGEST thing that impacts on a nation's wellbeing. And by 'nation', I mean the group of people that live within that country, not its leaders.

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I think a distinction needs to be made between immigration and illegal immigration here.

Controlled immigration can be a very good policy for any country, but open borders are just asking for trouble.

There are other issues as well, highlighted here which do nothing to calm peoples fears.

Originally posted by Cythraul

Originally posted by stewartw2
OOHHH those evil immigrants are the cause of everything bad-don't people like you get tired spinning the same 'fear' stories.

Classic disinformation - paint all concerns as trivial and unfounded! Next you'll bring out the "R" word.

These aren't 'fear' stories stewartw2. Whilst very few of us pin the blame on the immigrants themselves, we are correct to pin blame on 'immigration' as a whole. Doesn't matter what ethnicity those immigrants are so it has nothing to do with race. If there's ONE thing that DOES have an enormous impact in a nation's health, it is the ratio between people and resources. In fact, it's probably the single BIGGEST thing that impacts on a nation's wellbeing. And by 'nation', I mean the group of people that live within that country, not its leaders.

That makes no sense-none at all-people are a resource-Japan has no resources nor does Italy-they still ahve first world economies.

As for the UK-these "daily Mail" doom and gloom fear stories about immigration have been dished out for years-guess what Sudan has no immigrants, nore does Macedonia: they arent exactly economic utopia-Racism is the issue motivating this 'cause'.

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Originally posted by budski
I think a distinction needs to be made between immigration and illegal immigration here.

Whilst the distinction is useful, and whilst I agree that a small immigrant population can be healthy for any nation, I'm afraid I've reached a point where I sternly believe ALL immigration - legal and illegal - must be stopped. As I stated earlier in the thread, Britain could and should be a self sufficient nation (it's a vital hedge against total globalisation). We already have too many inhabitants (and guests) to be self-sufficient, non-dependant country. We've been generous to the world for a long time but we can no longer afford to be. Britain is now the most densely populated major country in Europe .

Originally posted by Cythraul

Every day, in every town and city in this once great United Kingdom people are having this discussion in pubs and clubs etc, but what do we do about it?

You mean Yobs are having this discussion.......get real, what can you possibly 'do' about it-start a home bred Nazi revolution, have a coup, create a dictatorship...didn't you guys fight those people tooth and nail.
Like there is something you can 'do' about without completely trashing all British traditions anyway.

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Cythraul.................I live in Australia and there are one million poms here!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I swear I find them the most irritating immigrants of all and for good reasons-should I ban them coming?-you can't have it both ways-go to other peoples countries but not let others come to yours.

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I agree - up to a point.

I think we should be now taking only those professions which offer something we are short of - doctors, engineers etc

Other than that....

Well, the "credit crunch" is going to ensure that a lot of migrants leave - but EU immigrants aren't the main problem.

One thing is for sure - it's time to put a stop to uncontrolled immigration and that may be the one good thing that happens in these harsh times.

Originally posted by stewartw2
That makes no sense-none at all-people are a resource-Japan has no resources nor does Italy-they still ahve first world economies.

And for how long? Britain has a first world economy too. My point is that reliance on people as the resource is exactly the reason our economic bubble is bursting. For a very long time we've convinced ourselves that people can create wealth out of nothing. We'll be learning very soon how untrue that is. The human race can not exist without nature - hence why gold, oil and land are still the most valuable physical assets. Hell, for the Sci Fi geeks among us, the Battlestar Galactica still needs to acquire fuel and water from time to time. Its crew and fleet are not a sufficient resource on their own . Britain has fertile land, lots of water, and access to fossil fuels. We cannot survive without these and as the ratio between those things and the number of people inhabiting Britain widens, the people will grow poor.

We still belong to nature my friend.

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Like is said, one Million Poms live in Australia-and they personally irritate me, I would rather they didnt come. They are probably more offensive than any immigrant group here-but I would never stop them coming here-ever.

Give me Lebanese, Chinese over Poms anyday! And I am not alone in this thinking here.

you want it both ways-ban people coming to you-retain the right to go to other countries!

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A pom who was in Australia for ONE WEEK rented an apartment in the building where I have owned an apartment for a decade (also my family goes back 170 years here)-a week later I get a knock on my door, its the Pom-complaining that he thinks I am not lifting my weight and doing my bit for the upkeep of the building on account of the fact he did not see put out the garbage in his four days living there, and I should shape up or ship out!