150,000 foreigners swell UK workforce: Record number get permits as Britons lose jobs

Originally posted by manonfire123
2500 people are losing their jobs every day in britain. Thats 17 and a half thousand a week, seventy thousand a month. In 2009 nearly three quarters of a million people are going to lose their jobs. 100 small buisneses are going bust every day. 150 thousand foreign workers what does the country need them for? You do the maths how long can this go on for?The door should be SHUT. theres no room at the in. cmon gorden brown give your head a shake...............

Totally agree. Immigration is completely out of control. Not only did the government sign away the right to stop EU-citizens immigrating because they are to spineless to think outside the EU's control but they are allowing in immigrants from all other countries with almost no thought to the harm it is doing to this country and its people. This government needs replacing now. They allow in all these people some driving British out of jobs others simply sponge off the state either way they are harming this country. Even when times were good the levels of immigration that Labour allowed were ridiculous and to do such things in a time of economic depression, job loss and various other problems is just foolishness. I don't care if saying deport them is non-PC I don't care if you claim I'm racist for saying it (in my opinion PC is completely one-sided and has gone far too far).

Anyone without a very good reason for being here should be deported and all those immigrants who come here commit crimes and don't get deported when let out like they are meant to should be gathered up and sent back to where they came.

Political correctness has long since trumped any kind of national pride or providing for your own indigineous population as a priority in the UK, so this doesn't surprise me in the least.

It's interesting to watch the migration statistics here in the US, both official and anecdotal.

We have seen huge immigration from troubled nations such as Zimbabwe and South Africa for some years now, but seemingly more and more well educated Brits are now trying to get in. The anecdotal part is that Brits are now commonplace in the workforce here.

I don't think the UK will ever have a "white-flight" situation as is now the case with the two aforementioned countries, but things will get progressively worse as your youngest and brightest revenue generators flee the country leaving only the social parasites and immigrants behind.

The UK is in a mess, I just wonder how bad it will get.

And, it is difficult for the unemployed to get back into work because all the low skilled jobs (perfect for a recession) are already filled. Why is that? The politicians felt those jobs were "below us" and provided the nation with cheap labour.

I'm qualified to A-level standard (dropped out of uni) and I cannot compete with Eastern Europeans for a cleaning job The sector I wish to work in is deeply effected by the economic crisis, so I have to resort to other sectors (which are mainly unskilled.)

reply to post by infinite
All this immigration is totally out of order when the jobs are rapidly dwindling and in most cases going overseas. Corus laying off today, is it the credit crunch? Yes sure it is, cough! The Tata concern is looking for ant reason to get round the unions and go off shore with Corus. I bet Toyota, Honda and Nissan are all waiting to lay off even more using the credit crunch as an excuse, when they know full well they can increase profits by going to Poland and Romania. I've seen this happen so many times it's insane but total common sense when you are trying to compete with all the red tape and taxes and silly minimum wage that has finished off so many companies. Now all this competition for jobs in the labour market.

Originally posted by Venit
So what?

It's a capitalist economy with a free market in an age of globalisation. The person that gets the job is the person that is best suited for it. I'm British and i'm annoyed by the sentiment that a job is 'ours' and is 'stolen' if someone from outside the country gets it. It's not 'ours' it's whomsoever is best qualified. If more Brits worked a bit harder then they'd get more jobs.

Not so. Many illegal's and others who shouldn't be working, such as Asylum seekers and those on "student visa's" tend to work cash in hand for below the minimum wage. So not only are they avoiding paying any kind of tax or NI, they are also illegally undercutting British workers who cannot compete wage wise, unless they too accept wages below the legal limit.

Originally posted by moniker
Now, let's not forget about all those Britons who leave Britain to retire elsewhere and in the end let that other country, which they have not supported through their entire working life, take care of them.

Well, that's not even remotely the same thing, is it?

If your on about going to Spain or somewhere to retire, they have the legal right as it is within the EU. Retiring also tends to mean your not working, you have the money to support yourself and you will still have to pay local property taxes etc.

If outside the EU, like Australia or Canada, you have to prove you have the funds to support yourself to even get a look in.

Originally posted by stumason
Not so. Many illegal's and others who shouldn't be working, such as Asylum seekers and those on "student visa's" tend to work cash in hand for below the minimum wage. So not only are they avoiding paying any kind of tax or NI, they are also illegally undercutting British workers who cannot compete wage wise, unless they too accept wages below the legal limit.

Exactly the point I was referring to regarding unemployment.

The Trade Unions have been protesting for years to the government, but nothing has been done to tackle undercutting wages. Yes, under the new immigration system you do need proof of right to work, but it can easily be avoided and manipulated.

Never thought I'd hear myself expressing this statement, but it is time to evaluate and draw new conclusions with our relationship with the European Union.

France, Ireland and Italy are suffering from the same problems too.

Originally posted by StevenDye
I can't see them being voted to power again for quite some time after the next election.

But that's just it. Each immigrant = "a vote for Labour". NOT literally - as stumason says, many don't have the right to vote. But remember that a) British citizens of foreign descent are avidly pro-immigration, so will vote for a government who demonstrate such a policy, and b) a child born to a parent 'settled' in the UK gains automatic UK citizenship.

What Labour are engaged in is nothing short of treason. Britain is meant to belong to the British. But apparently, Labour thinks our beautiful country belongs to 'anyone who wants it'.

Ask yourself something:
Has multiculturalism REALLY made your life better?

I don't mean to insinuate that original British culture is superior, but is it so INFERIOR that we need to import replacement cultures to make British life bearable? If you ask me, that kind of anti-British sentiment is more racist than any anti-multicultural stance. Total multiculturalism is a lie they've spent years selling to us for their own benefit. I just want Britain to remain British, and thankfully, more and more people are thinking this way. Note: I'm not imposed to a small, submissive amount of non-British culture.

If the BNP make gains in the Euro and domestic elections, Labour will be to blame - for ignoring its indigenous citizens.

Each established country has its own immigration issues, each one has its racial tensions coming from that nation and on the other hand foreign criminals or people with poor education and lack of love in their world create havoc for the rest of the civilised society. No immigration is perfect, it just means more police on the streets which in turn is what the elite is asking for, total control from the chaos they let in through their open gates.

I would love everyone to get on, but who in the History of man has been able to do this? Even Jesus knew this, look at all the conflicts with all the different cultures and religious views of that time. No wonder he was put on the cross and everyone was to blame as their powers of authority came against him. Once a country becomes 30% or even 10% minority that county will implode and separatism will occur to a civil war. Look at any place in the world that is the case, look at Iraq with the Curds, Sunni’s and Shiites and British history itself with the Welsh Scots and Irish. There will always be conflict once an ideology or culture decides it’s different and this is the cause of war. I am no expert just an observer of life events. I cannot be that wrong through self education and self thought if people don't agree with this theory i don't think I am that far off.




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Originally posted by Cythraul
If the BNP make gains in the Euro and domestic elections, Labour will be to blame - for ignoring its indigenous citizens.

You have made a very good point and right now although its a shame I would rather have the BNP in charge than Labour at least they are honest about their aims and would try more to make the country successful and not waste their time on silly EU legislation. Personally right now I am caught between UKIP and the conservatives.

Sad fact is that they work for cheap and us brits dont want to. Brown doesn't care about the GBP, he cares about doing a good job in government, and if he has to betray his own people to get the economy going then he will.

But at some point this country isn't going to have any brits left in it. Whole thing is stupid.

Originally posted by Lazyninja
Brown doesn't care about the GBP, he cares about doing a good job in government, and if he has to betray his own people to get the economy going then he will.

Are you mad (oh no here I go again)? If he cared about doing a good job in government he would care about the people. He would care about protecting about the sterling. And what he is doing is not helping the economy. It is what is damaging it. More people out of work more drain on taxes, people spending less economy goes further down the drain. Stop bringing in immigrants so we can care for ourselves and not them.

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Same thing in the USA companies like JC Penney, Verizon and many more hire tons of H1 and Green Cards especially in IT. They get bulk discount rates and don't even know what to do with all the bodies. The H1s often work overtime with little or no compensation for it because they stand to loose their backing if they complain. This helps give the companies the image of their being highly productive and good workers. Many H1s wait for the green card to sue their contracting firms. But the slave labor aside, companies like JC Penney (Knight of Malta links) hire the H1 because it facilitates the dumbing down of Americans. No demands for qualified Americans to fill the skill sets and most of the H1s come from India with a known nature of "bend over". When the crap his the fan they will gladly work for the NWO in any capacity turning their backs on US citizens.

reply to post by deltaboy

140,000 employment visas issued annually to US www.abovetopsecret.com... i think you are wrong deltaboy in your statement about brits blaming the foreigners for their woes. i think it's their government just like it is with out government. screwing us to the wall. but, we have you don't we. the defender of the united states government!

reply to post by infinite
try and humble yourself infinite we know you are capable of handling unskilled labor in this economy.

opps...........................wrong index.............darn, i mean digit, crap are we in a recession or depression. all the economic indicators are just messing me up. too bad i am unable to think for myself so i can rely upon the great minds!

[edit on 28-1-2009 by musselwhite]

Similar situation here in the US.

The cost of illegals in California alone is over 10 billion dollars per year for their education and/ or welfare benefits.

I posted this about the new economic stimulus plan because I think that it needs to address immigration.

Stimulus needs to address immigration

I always try to look for the method in the madness. I can not for the life of me wrap my head around this one.

Where is the win?

Who wins?

Who claims the money?

Hungry desperate people do desperate things?

Is that what they want?

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Ah, the gods have graced me with an opportunity to join the election team of a Member of Parliament

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Originally posted by Cauch1
Personally right now I am caught between UKIP and the conservatives.

I can assure you the Conservatives will do NOTHING to solve the problem. I wish they would. They may talk about limited immigration but we've heard that before from Labour. Britain can only be self-sustainable with 30 million inhabitants, so in light of that, only a complete halt on all immigration can ever hope to solve the problem.

Originally posted by Lazyninja
Sad fact is that they work for cheap and us brits dont want to.

Not 'don't want to do', 'can't afford to do'!

Expected wages should be proportionate and fair in order to build a home and future in the country of work. Minimum wage is never going to buy a home in Britain, whereas it may buy a mansion in Eastern Europe or Africa. If I were an immigrant looking to build a future in my home country, I'd gladly be working for cheap. Unfortunately, those of us who want to build a future in our home country fail to see an incentive. This also goes some way to explaining benefit fraud. The Brits have given up.

Let's get one thing straight;
Brown is not a Socialist and is not the leader of a Socialist government.
New Labour is far, far removed from the Socialist leaning beginnings of the Labour Party.
There is very little difference between New Labour and The Conservatives, just a different shade of blue.
And David Cameron is certainly no saviour.
He is a carear politician in it for personal advancement, like the majority of current politicians.
Like Brown, and Blair before him, he is a puppet controlled by the old money families who have always dictated British economic and foreign policy.

As for the BNP, they will never get elected, their nationalist platform is contrary to the vision of a Federal European State which is the ultimate desire of those who really run things.

Immigration levels have been intolerable for years now but those of us who predicted this scenario were shouted down and labelled 'racist' by the PC brigade.
There is nothing wrong with immigration per se.
It is the sign of a healthy, progressive society which is continuing to grow and develop.
But any such immigrants, and skin colour should be absolutely irrelevant, should have something positive to offer and should be willing to integrate fully into OUR society.
This has not been the case for decades.
We have let anyone into the country regardless of skill levels and personal circumstances.
When allied to a benefit system originally designed to be a crutch for the needy and not the right for continued and permanent hand-out's for anyone, this has led to the position we find ourselves in.

Unite regional officer Neil Willoughby said: “You have a situation where UK customers are paying extortionate energy bills to a German energy giant, who contracts a French multinational to build its new power stations, who then employs a Polish subcontractor who, we fear, will bring in workers from abroad instead of giving local workers a chance to apply for work.

www.kentnews.co.uk...

Some British Trade Unions have been warning about this for years, with little success, and of course the British worker has lost his right to take any effective action against these policies thanks to the imposition of draconian trade laws by that wonderful Conservative leader, Margaret Thatcher.
It is a long game plan these people have in place!

Things will only improve when stop being a nation of whingers and moaners.
Every day, in every town and city in this once great United Kingdom people are having this discussion in pubs and clubs etc, but what do we do about it?
Nothing!
Why, because we are so scared to do so.
Camera's on every street corner, unlimited licence to listen in to every piece of communication, police powers to break up any group meetings they please.
Where has our backbone gone?
Dissolved in a diet of White Star Cider, X-Factor, fear and political correctness.

We allow ethnic minorities, (Muslims account for approx 2.4% of our population but have how much say and influence?), dictate policy to the majority.
We have foreign workers taking our jobs in a time of economic difficulty.

It seems that whilst the EU is intent to improve the standard of living in the poorer areas of Europe it is also intent on reducing the standard of living in the more affluent areas.
Is this part of the drive towards a United States Of Europe and subsequently NWO?
I don't know.

All I know is that this country is going to the dogs and none of us, myself included, are doing much at all to do anything about it.

Sorry if this seems a bit disjointed, and possibly off topic.
I have lots of questions and very few, if any answers.
I just feel that all of this is tied in together somehow.

The U.S and our friends in England are going through the same thing. This should not be happening. Citizens should come before illegals. I am so angry about these situations. People, please get involved in any way that you can. Fight against this immigration horror. If you don't, it will only get worse.

Both my husband and I have both lost our jobs. It is time that legal citizens stand up and demand that things change. Americans can go to the Alipac site and get the latest info on illegal immigration and fighting against it. Share the site with everyone you know who wishes to make a difference. Together we can stand strong.

I thought getting out of here and moving to England would be awesome, but you guys have the same problem. Sigh...