Missouri and Google earth

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I can only speak on Hiawatha Hall and Blalock, the freshman dorms.

First, a little information on Haskell Indian Nations Univeristy for those who don't know. Haskell started as a government project to assimilate Native Americans into White American culture. I think there was this HBO series that dealt with this subject, and all the cruel things these Indians had to endure. The KU forensics lab has remains of small children who were literally built into the walls, Great Wall of China style. This place is easily the most 'haunted' locale in Kansas. I didn't know any of this before my semester there...

Anyways, Blalock like I said is the frosh dorms. Being 18 and still pretty immature/skeptical at the time, I didn't believe any of the stories about what happened there. None of the upper classmen tried scaring us freshman, that sort of thing was totally restricted and you could get huge suspensions for doing it.

But yeah, my experiences at Blalock started halfway through the semester. I personally never heard any of the children crying, though I do have friends who say they did. Mostly what I heard were random knocks coming from the ceiling and outside our dorm window. The big story my semester there was how this kid Brandon was 'pushed' down a staircase and broke his leg. This dude was pretty level-headed, and he claims he felt a force on his back right before he fell. He also said he wasn't trying to go down the stairs, he was just passing by the staircase. Most of the incidents occur to whites, not Indians.

Hiawatha Hall, though, is INSANE. Please, never go here. You can almost come up with rational excuses for all the other buildings and the incidents that go on there, but not here. This is place is legit.

Its now owned by the Government and trespassing is a felony, but its pretty easy to get a key here. Not that many people want to, though. Some friends and I decided to check the place out one afternoon, and..... well, that night really is kind of responsible for my interest in the esoteric and metaphysical beliefs that I now hold. I can personally attest to seeing one of the main hall doors open and close violently on its own. We wanted to stick around make it down to the basement pool, but we sprinted out of the building after seeing that door. It wasn't cool, it wasn't fun, at all. I don't like having the feeling of helplessness over a situation, and thats how I felt inside Hiawatha, another thing about that place, inside, it is EXTREMELY COLD.

So yeah, those are my own personal experience my only semester at Haskell. A lot of people manage to take four years without seeing anything there, but I decided to transfer to Johnson County Community College after my semester was up. All in all I find the place pretty cool and I did enjoy my experience there, save for Hiawatha. I do have to say though, I'm pretty grateful overall for my time there. I wouldn't be the person I am today without those experiences.

Here's a video I found on YouTube:




But yeah.... didn't mean to de-rail the thread or anything....

Originally posted by woodtiger
I was thinking about the triangle comment in relation to Geo. Washington. I have not heard that story before but it occurred to me that if you draw lines between Missouri's three largest cities, K.C., St. Louis and Springfield, you will get a triangle. Jefferson City, the capital lies well within this triangle.

You inspired me to try and get the golden ratio from connecting those three cities. I then highlighted it in photohop.



It wasnt quite it so I thought of interestedaways home town of Hannibal. Not it either so I found what is described as the largest city in Mo.'s northwest. and connected it with Hannibal and Springfield.


Then I noticed Preston sits in about the right spot and there it is. The golden triangle.


St. Joseph, Hannibal, and Preston. For whatever its worth.


I edited this because it screwed up my background image. Is the "Maybe" overlapping my online status on anyone else computer or is it just mine?

[edit on 24-1-2009 by LoneGunMan]

Originally posted by Tgautier13
reply to post by MOFreemason

 

But yeah.... didn't mean to de-rail the thread or anything....

Oh dont worry about it, I am very much into the paranormal. I have seen in done many things most would never believe unless they lived it too. I made my avatar because it represents my own personal journey.

You posted some very cool stuff!

nice work on the maps! I am beginning to draw some interesting conclusions here. There is the triangle, or delta, which inverted also represents the feminine. You posted the pieces about Ceres, who seems is both the goddess of vegetation and death. Missouri is in the "heartland of America".

Monsanto is one of the leading agricultural companies in terms of genetically modified foods, and their corporate headquarters are located in St. Louis.

www.monsanto.com...

I have read that native cultures will not touch genetically modified foods, and that third world countries have rejected gmo shipments. I myself am part Kaw and part Pottawattamie, both of which originally lived in the northern Missouri, northern Kansas range. I went to college at MU in Columbia for a semester and there were many stories similar to the poster relating the Haskell stories. (the ghost of John Neihardt, author of Black Elk Speaks, roaming the library)

While I was there, there was a situation where the Army Corps of Engineers came across some remains. Rather than stop construction or destruction of whatever they were doing, they simply threw stuff haphazardly into paper bags and shipped it off the the university. I was in a Native American organization at the time, and when we found out about this, we were pretty incensed. We tried to do something about the situation, but we couldn't even get the local Native American population involved because of their belief in "bad blood" in the region, and they said they probably couldn't trace the ancestry back anyway so it was moot.

Which is probably true, because as I stated previously, those bones were probably the people that I came from that originally lived there, and had been re-located to Oklahoma. See, the whole reason I was interested in Missouri in the first place is that is where some of my people came from. My overall experiences with Missouri however have been less than positive.

So there you have it, GMO Foods, Deltas and Ceres, goddess of vegetation and death.

there seems to be a lot of "delta" association in Missouri:

www.monsanto.com...

farm.ewg.org...

www.missouridelta.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

www.deltacos.com...

aes.missouri.edu...

IMO the reason missouri is covered so much in google earth is because we are in the middle of the country, the geography of Missouri is so diverse, some areas flat to small mountains. Plus you have 2 large rivers one that runs across the state (the Missouri River) and one that defines Missouri's Border (the Mississippi River)

There are large limestone fields in Missouri which most of them have been mined out and afterwards those fields were converted to storage areas.

Now also in Missouri you have Fort Leonard wood Which is one of the Primary Basic training facilities for the Army. You also have Whiteman Airforce base which is currently the home of the 509th bomb wing with 2 squadrons of B-2 bombers. Whiteman is also a control center for ICBM's scattered all across Missouri, Eastern Kansas, Eastern Oklahoma, Northern Arkansas. Western Illonios, and Southern Iowa. Whiteman is also home to an Army Reserve Aviation unit that flies Apache attack choppers.

Now down here in Joplin, My stomping grounds Missouri was mined for lead and zinc from the late 1880's to 1930-40. There is also some large limestone fields here which have also been converted to storage areas for food and medicine. ( i use to work in one) The Storage area is owned by a private company that has contracts with the military for food storage. and contracts with Government to store medicine and food. the underground facility also serves as a distribution center for alot of the local companies that use it as a storage area as well.

Also in Joplin you have Eagle Picher, they make batteries for some of the advance weapon systems employed by the military. they also make batteries for Nasa.

You also have LaBarge Electronics. They make the electronic componets and wiring harness for those same weapons. and they also have contracts with Nasa to build wiring harness for the shuttle, satellites, probes etc.

You also have TSMT (Tri State Motor Transit) they are a large trucking company that has a very large underground bunker system for the storage of munitions for the military. They also are the primary private company to move those munitions around the Country for the Military. They also move nuclear material for the Government.

Then there are several munition plants and explosives manufactures in the area.

Now as for the Paranormal activities, There are plenty!

there is the THE HORNET SPOOK LIGHT

Hoffman Mansion

then there is the old Prosperity Schoolhouse now a Bed and Breakfast. The link is to a video taken in the B&B I know the person that shot this video personally.

For whatever reason Google decided to cover Missouri !00% Its nice that they did. I've lived in missouri for about 30 years. I have been all over the U.S. and I have to say there is no other place like Missouri. Missouri has alot of Beautiful scenery all year long. Most of the people in Missouri are down home friendly folk, that treat their neighbors the same as family.

If anyone wants more info on the Paranormal events in and around Joplin let me know i'll share what i know.

Oh another place of interest is just a few blocks from my house. its an old civil war hospital, and every once and awhile you'll see some interesting things late at night around the house and in my neighborhood

When i was a kid the people that owned the house use to give tours to school kids. the wife would give the tour of the house and the husband would dress up as a union soldier and talk about the civil war in our area. The house still has musket balls in the walls, and i'm sure there ares till cannon balls underground.

There is also Brown mansion and the old Freeman Hospital

Originally posted by woodtiger

So there you have it, GMO Foods, Deltas and Ceres, goddess of vegetation and death.

Good deduction! There really does seem to be something going on in Mo. Do you have any Native connections to the tribes in the area? Maybe a little "folklore" may help.

The feminine aspect is also intriguing. I believe from my studies in spirituality that its the feminine energy that is becoming the answer to our next step in our spiritual evolution. Maybe some groups or something is going to try an block that energy so we do not lose our materialistic urges and stay asleep as consumers.

Originally posted by Mercenary2007

If anyone wants more info on the Paranormal events in and around Joplin let me know i'll share what i know.

Oh another place of interest is just a few blocks from my house. its an old civil war hospital, and every once and awhile you'll see some interesting things late at night around the house and in my neighborhood

This is what I love about ATS. We have so many connections from such a diverse membership we get people that have some nice pieces to any puzzle.

If you don't mind sharing the paranormal events around Joplin that would be great. We can use all the puzzle pieces we can get! Thanks for contributing.

Dont forget about the LEMP mansion, supposedly one of the most haunted places in the country. In St Louis. LEMP MANSION

I lived in Joplin for a couple of years, and remember the "spook lights". Supposedly the lights will follow you when you drive down the road. I went there and didnt see them..darn my luck!

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I have also had a similar thing happen with my car stereo. It happened in either June or July. I was just outside of the city near Lambert Field. The strange thing was that I was playing a CD when this low, loud but muffled sound took over my stereo.

I have had paranormal experiences here in Missouri since my childhood. My tendency is to be away from the city in the more rural areas, and this is when I come face to face with the strange and unexplainable.

I have a sister that lives a very rural life in Reynolds County and she describes seeing very odd things. The last was of colored beams of lights shooting across the night sky.

The people that I came from were removed to Oklahoma and they have no connection to that land anymore, they are on the "casino" track. However, there is an incredible amount of folklore that the locals will share with you, although I think much of it is disinfo for their own fun. It's like the anonymous poster earlier in the thread, secrets are kept for sacredness. The locals are very good natured, but they don't want anyone messing with their world.

Interesting you mention that about feminine energy and spirituality, I also recently had a revelation that indicated the exact same thing in terms of our spiritual evolution. Then when I really thought about it, it is obvious and logical. I think special attention should be paid to areas where the "goddess is represented" because feminine aspects all too often are hidden. Phallic symbols are always very prominent but the feminine is usually hidden.

Anyway this is a fun thread, I haven't been sure what to do with my experiences in Missouri.

reply to post by LoneGunMan
Other than fresh water bubling up out of the ground and 70 to 150 of top soil,when there is less than,what 4 inches of top soil left worldwide?

Ah, the state of "Misery." I once stayed there for a few months. I found it to be haunted by idiots and possessed by rednecks.

On the other hand they have bait&tackle/guns&ammo/liquor stores. Now that is one stop shopping.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
One day while on Google earth I noticed Missouri is the only state in the country that is 100% mapped by satellite on Google earth.

All 50 states are "mapped by satellite" on Google Earth. I take it you are referring to the higher resolution images that cover Missouri.

If that's your criteria then these states are also "100% mapped by satellite":

Indiana
Massachusetts
Rhode Island
Connecticut
Delaware
Maryland

Missouri and areas around it have a high weirdness factor. I've lived in St. Louis most of my life. Weird is normal here. So much so that most residents don't even notice it until a newbie points it out. I'll make a separate post listing some of the things people might consider odd about Missouri and the surrounding areas.

Originally posted by Grumble
Ah, the state of "Misery." I once stayed there for a few months. I found it to be haunted by idiots and possessed by rednecks.

On the other hand they have bait&tackle/guns&ammo/liquor stores. Now that is one stop shopping.

Grumble does not lie. One of the places I go camping in Missouri is neat a warehouse type building with a big sign reading "Guns Ammo Boats Bait Beer"
Let's all get drunk and shoot fish!

My mother-in-law is a converted Mormon living in Utah. She has recently told us that her "church" has told it's members to get their finances in order and get physically fit. All to be prepared to WALK to Missouri. Now, she is a little crazy to begin with, but I do beleive she was told this. Just not sure if it was "official" or not. Not sure that has anything at all to do with this thread, but thought I would add it.

The promised oddities that I've personally experienced:

Snow rarely falls in St. Louis. This is a personal pet peeve of mine. Watching a beautiful snowstorm heading right for us and dropping inches and inches of snow in all the counties around us. Watching it drop inches and inches of show on the Mississippi river and in Illinois; yet St. Louis City gets nothing but flurries. The no-snow zone starts just inside the 270 belt.

I spent my honeymoon exploring Southern Missouri. Don't do this. Seriously. Although the land itself looks out for you. We were looking for an animal safari place. I was pretty exited thinking there might be a wild animal preserve in the middle of nowhere. So my hubby and I followed the signs that supposedly led to this preserve. Eventually we were seeing "no trespassing" signs at every turnoff, but we kept going. After all, People in the midwest take their land rights seriously, but if a road has a name, it's public property and safe. Except the gravel road we were on turned into a pair of ruts in grass. We discussed whether to give up and turn around, but I really really wanted to see live buffalo and such, so we pressed on... about 100 yards... when the road ended completely. So we turned around in this vast grassy area and tried to find the ruts again. Then the truck we were in was swarmed by bees. We rolled up the windows, bees everywhere, drove straight forward...
And found ourselves on a moderately main road and the bees were gone.
Needless to say, we gave up on finding the animal safari place.
Stuff like that is WAY more common than it should be. We drove down side roads for at least an hour and a half. I had a map! I can't tell you how we wound up 40 or so miles away near a main road.

That's without getting into the really weird things like heavy thunderstorms that only hit a half mile neighborhood, and stick around for over an hour; or the numerous ghost stories; bridges of doom; secret caves; munitions dumps; and on and on. I tried to pick things you don't find on ever haunted missouri website.

For the topic at hand, another thing that makes Missouri of interest to people using google maps are the military bases, the minuteman silos along I-70, and the natural gas and gasoline supply network that has it's hub near St. Louis.

My dads family comes from MO and there is alot of UFO stories in the ozarks.

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no silos in MO anymore. or Ia. Or Ar. Or Ks.

reply to post by WSPfan


It has everything to do with this thread. It is one of the feelings I have had about it all. Maybe you gave a heads up to people reading this thread and when it hits the fan some will think of "walking to Missouri".