I will only speak for myself and my family. I am a registered republican, as is my wife. We are conservative. We expect the government to be run the way we run our household. If we can't afford it, we don't buy it, unless we have some productive way to raise the money. (Productive does not mean raising taxes. It means finding a way of producing goods and services that produce income.)
I think, if you ask the people who are out there holding down full time jobs, busting our butts to bring home a paycheck and pay our bills, I believe that you will find that those people will feel the way I do.

You might want to examine the mechanics and process of management of our Social Security fund.... It's a Ponzi scheme. We haven't saved a penny, they took it all and replaced it with debt!

The republican's stupidity has already cost us billion if not trillions that so far hasn't gone into any of our pocket and I remember in the 80's them saying deficits didn't matter. This is all ideology, not based on historical examples or real economic numbers. Frankly, I look at republicans as a lower IQ species.

Originally posted by David9176
What side do you think I'm on?

I dont know david you tell me, you seem to spend the vast majority of the time speculating on what this new administration is going to do and its if you dont give a damn about the last 8years. Aint nothing new. Why dont you be helpful and actually think up the relevant issues, not dooms day speculation on the new administration.

Because i'm critical of what our government does?

Your not critical of the government david, your critical when your candidate doesnt get in and thats that. All iv seen you and afew fellas do here is go on and on about how bad this candidate will be and completely ignore the relevant issues to fixing this mess, actually debating important issues, not just "oh their allll bad".

What if i told you I was a Democrat? Would that make you look at me differently?

Half the anti-Obamanians here are democrats buddy... reagan democrats. It aint ganna make me debate with you and be critical any differently.

Do you think i'm just critical of Democrats?

Im yet to see you actually be critical of the conservative base of this country david.

Look at your OP. Your bias bleeds through out the whole thing.

Bias? As far as I could see it I never referenced any partisan blogs like other have here, Iv did not paint the democrats as "spotless" in the OP. I simply proved that the "fiscal responsible" and "spend spend spend" argument from the right does not hold up from their side.

It's in almost every single post i read of yours. For whatever reason you think that anyone who disagrees with you is anti-democrat.

All the posts Iv countered so far have being as a result of the propaganda flowing through the net, and you seem to contribute to this david. You dont have to be a republican to do so.

You deliberately made this thread in the first place to make an argument

The OP only shows the facts, I am yet to see anybody counter them or defend the "fiscal responsible" argument republican/conservatives always have.

Did it ever strike you that maybe some of them think both Rep/Dem are full of BS?

Yes, both sides have their BS, I never argued that one side was spotless david. The thing is, Im a liberal and I believe in liberal values and when there is obvious crap being thrown I will speak out david.

I see the type of person you are. You are the "If you aren't with me, then you're against me' type.

Nope, I never once said that david, Iv mainly being on the defensive to the propaganda rightwing crap you and the others here have so readily taken in. Infact if you read my posts Iv always stated that its time to united and think up solutions, no just bicker continously on government this and that, this candidate and that, unfortunatly this is all you and afew others seem to do david.

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Thats all fine david, we'll leave it there.

I made this thread the disprove the rightwing "fiscal responsibility" myth, the fiscal argument against the liberal cause which I outright believe in, and the argument which history disproves. I couldnt really care what negativity other members may have for the future of this new administration and all other government or parties, however iv learned to always give a chance to a new administration and reserve my critism to when that administration outright lies or misleads the people in war etc.

I wasnt too happy with the Bush-Cheney win in 2000 but I got over it and gave them a chance, I reserved speculating because I wanted to give them a chance. In 2001 I stood behind them in the war on terror and even though these attacks happened under their watch considering their "defense" argument in the campaign of 2000, I outright supported them. It was in 2003, towards then end of Bushs term that I realized how full of crap they were, but never the less I gave them a chance.

Im not going to label every candidate, especially a new president, as somehow "just another one" or "part of a greater conspiracy"... actions speak louder that words and I will give him a chance till then. I supported Obama because I agree with his policies, Iv supported the man all this time and now that his president, I will, just like iv done in the past, give him his term to do what he intends to do and judge him on that. If Ron Paul was elected you folks would be acting totally different now, and anybody who said "his just another one" I would hear a totally different tone from you folks, you would probably argue that we are yet to see his full term or what now.

If you want to speculate one every politician and every new administration, especially when its not your candidate, thats your deal, maybe the past 8years got you to not trust any form of government, but as said earlier, I will judge on his or her actions in their term, not on what is speculated or by what others have done.

Ron Paul is a conservative apologist and thats what he is. Theres this cult movement on the internet for the man and yet all Iv seen thus is him making excuses on behalf of the free market, instead of actually think up realistic solutions. The man holds true conservative ideals unlike these other fakers, I give him that, but in opinion the man expects to solve the muck up made by the "rightwing free market" policy on this nations economy by making it more extreme and im sorry, I just dont agree with that, and to be frank I dont think this "their all bad" excuse really counters the OP as where I have already stated theyv both had their bad sides, but the argument of fiscal responsibility from the right and ron paulers simply dont hold up.

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I don't care what party a person belongs too. I want to know if they can manage their household income. If they can't pay off their credit cards every month, pay their mortgage on time, have some savings for a rainy day, and some investments for the future, then I sure don't want them involved in government.
And I want them to run the government the way most of us run our households. As I've already said, if I can't afford it, I have to do with out it.