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Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by justamomma
Ah but to say someone is running on "blind faith" and say that you are not is taking a situation in which neither side really has anything beyond belief and inferring you have proof you do not. Which is largely a veiled attempt at conversion via insult, you most likely don't see it that way and would disagree with doing it that way but look at it from the perspective of your opponent.
Originally posted by TheMythLives
reply to post by John Matrix
Keep the excellent work up John, you roll with the punches and rise up with excellent answers in your own words. Keep the great work up mate!
Originally posted by justamomma
Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by John Matrix
Keyword.
You believe.
I respect and even after a fashion share your belief, some what, if not agree completely with the particulars. But in the end neither of us have unassailable proof and both await the journey beyond death with little more than belief.
[edit on 25-1-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]
I just wonder why anyone would believe anything in which they personally had no proof of.
It is sad really.
Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
So, You have nothing to testify to, so you see other peoples ways and beliefs, as sad?
Has it ever occured to you that some people have moved well beyond believing in Jesus to actually knowing him? Maybe instead of feeling sad for others ways and beliefs you need to feel sad for yourself as to why you haven't been given personal proof.
Just a thought.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Myrtales Instinct
LOL.... man i love it when people are faced with their own delusions in somonelse. its priceless.... thank you for your input.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
Here is some more proof of your ignorance. Brain death occurs after minutes of oxygenated blood not reaching the brain... if the cells continued to reamin nourished then the body could be revived hours later... and has been in extreme cold water drownings.
Where do you draw the line at where a collection of cells gains a "soul". do animals have souls? do plants? do bacteria or viruses? Reality is interpreted by your brain... just beacuse we cannot understand how all of this creates your thoughts and emotions does NOT make it false... it is still a possiblity that conciousness is a natural side effect to reality. Saying anything other than that is what is delusional, but i wouldnt want you to forefit your soul.
Im speaking to your logic not mine... i could use correct lingo that applys to such an undersatnding, but then you would have no idea what im saying. i have to use your words to talk to you.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by Myrtales Instinct
LOL.... man i love it when people are faced with their own delusions in somonelse. its priceless.... thank you for your input.
Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
I'm very familiar with how Spirit works and how it manifests in us, which is the key to understanding what Jesus was talking about when he gave his discourse on the Holy Spirit of how the Father gave of his Spirit to Jesus and how Jesus gives to us from the Father. I get it. I know it.
I can't speak for John, but I did remind him back on page three of this thread, that it is a no-brainer for people to try and live and be guided by the Holy Spirit but alot of people haven't been baptized with the Holy Spirit... yet and I think it's imperative that the people who have received this blessing to start giving testimony other than 'we need to live by the Spirit of God.' You would think people would want to know; how, when, why, and where. Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would teach us all things and though it is a progressive process it's the truth. And my point is - the things we have learned we should begin to share.
I think people would be more inclined to talk about disclosure and how it works, than John's views on war.
I'm pretty sure plants, bacteria and viruses have no consciousness, they are programs. The same could be true of animals, as they mostly operate based on instinct, rather than understanding. But I am not completely sure about animals, as they do seem to show signs of consciousness and understanding. The basic way you can tell is this. If they operate based only on action and reaction, which is casuality, then they are a program. If they have reason and understanding, then they have a soul/consciousness.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
So monkeys must have souls... they use sign language to communicate their thoughts. Dolphins use language.... elephants recognize themselves in mirrors.... Octopi can watch and understand how to open doors and lids to mulitple types of contianters.
Technology is only now cathing up to the memory capacity and processing power of the human mind... it wasnt possible untill tech caught up.
Your failure as a programmer or lack of technological capability at the time does not prove that freewill exists.....
Its only your ego that thinks it is free from cause and effect. There werent proper tools back in the day to prove the earth was round.... saddly many followed flawed logic like yours... many were tortured and killed beacuse of their ignorance and blind faith.
Its also funny how you say the story of JOB is litteral yet the story of jesus is figuritive.... do you find anything wrong with this logic???