Originally posted by Wertdagf
To them they are choices, because they cant comprehend the things that lead them to that moment. Freewill is an illusion created by a limited
perspective on reality... if he had spoke like he could understand such a thing I would have worded it differently.
Im pretty sure we will have sophisticated AI in less than 5 years. So any space traveling race who would be 100-1,000,000 years beyond us in
development would indeed have this.
Just because a diamond is made artificialy does not mean it isnt a diamond. You could call it an artificial diamond, but i doubt anyone will because
they arent involved in their religious beliefs.
To have choice is to have free will. That people let things influence their decisions without them realizing it does not change the fact that we
have a choice. We can do otherwise.
The entire "game" on this planet is to take away free will. Because without free will things are controllable. This is the entire reason things
like manipulation is used. Give up your free will and conform. Sure, there are plenty of examples of people who have given up their free will, or
sold their soul as I like to call it. But part of free will is the ability to give it away.
Have you ever made a program? Programs work because they have no choice. If they had any free will, then you do not know what you would end up
with. It would be like going to google, search for paris hilton, and then the search engine chooses to give you a page on the federal reserve scam
instead because it thought it was more relevant for what the person needed. Would be nice, but isn't going to happen. However, you can make that
choice. You could send someone to a federal reserve scam page instead of paris hilton.
And you can not program choice. Choice is illogical, the reason humans are considered illogical. The programmer has to determine the choice for
the program with logic. Any choice it makes is pre programed. This is exactly the reason I came to my conclusions. The closest thing you can get
to describing choice is to make a random number, and then based on the random number, return a predetermined response relative to that number. When I
started and wanted to work on it, I thought it was completely possible.
There are other problems as well. If it was somehow successful. Such as you will have to limit it's intelligence "range" to a range which is
understandable to us. Otherwise you get that trying to teach physics to a dog effect.
I have no doubts that AI programs will do many wonderful things. Because creation itself is logical, it will be capable of doing many things for us.
Driving down the road and so on, completely possible using AI. Able to take in data and navigate down a road using logic. But it will always be
limited to the logic the creator/programmer gives it. It will remain artificial
Go watch any movie like Short Circuit or I-Robot. What is the difference between the "special" robots and the others? They somehow gain
consciousness. They somehow go beyond the logic they are programmed with.
And that is exactly what I realized it would take before it could be real intelligence. I would basically have to put my consciousness(or another
persons) into it before it is possible. At which point, it is no longer controllable because it has free will and choice, the basic requirements for
And that sounds familiar to me. That sounds exactly like, god creates everything, and then the spirit of god has to enter the creation before it
becomes "alive", before actual intelligence emerges within.
Consciousness creates logic, not the other way around.
[edit on 26-1-2009 by badmedia]