There are many many caves in that area, a lot of them are sealed by cave in, and the funding was never available for anyone to clear them, the ones which have been cleared were done by splunkers off their own backs, and took quite a time.

In north wales, very close to the village of loggerheads, there is a cave where they found human remains in a side passage, next to that passage is a lead mine opening maybe 3 ft in diameter narrowing down to a tight fit, once you get past the mine there is evidence of a deliberate cave in, with a draft blowing through it, which seems to show another entrance, which nobody has discovered yet to my knowledge.

This story could well be based in some fact, anyone living in that area will tell you, its a splunkers dream.

Finding it however will be luck rather than anything else.

BTW the lead mine dates back a long long time, if I can find my folders, I'm sure I have information on the caving systems in that area, if I find them ill post anything relevant.

Hello, I am a first time poster here, but long time lurker. I am also about 30 minutes from this area, but my brother actually lives on Ruabon Mountain in a place called garth. A few months ago I noticed incredibly odd patterns on top of Ruabon mountain via google earth as i was looking for his house.

latitude = 53° 0'13.01"N

Longitude = 3° 7'59.55"W

There may well be a simple explanation but i am stumped as to what these are. They are all over the mountain if you zoom in and look .

do they know if it was or any part thereof, ever under water?
i'm checking for a british "abyss."

Wow very interesting subject and beautiful pictures, I´ve been to Wales many times and it is a magical and amazing place as it is, these makes it even more magical.

Hello again, I tried to post some pictures of the strange shapes on top of Ruabon mountain, but i need 25 posts before i can upload pictures. Does anyone else have google earth I found another collection here

53° 2'16.23"N 3° 9'27.16"W

Now I can only imagine these are either heather burning/ harvesting....or spirits from the underworld. I'm going for the second one i think

conspiracy emergency over, i found out they are actually cuts in the heather to enable new shoots to grow. Still, i've never seen it before around here in such vast amounts. It seems a rather large waste of money for somewhere which i'm sure is quite capable of looking after itself. Ho hum, I think i might take a trip up there anyway though.

This has to be the most beautiful place on earth, a "heaven on earth"! Can I please move in with someone over there, or just set up camp in one of the forests? I really need to get out of the U.S and live in a world like Wales.

Well I'll be there shortly - should get a dog really - shame to traverse that land without one.

I will have to pop up there some point in the near future. I'm a londoner who's spent lots of quality time in Snowdonia, and 2 years ago I made the jump into Wales. Living in the south, not too far from the black mountains.

I'm starting to get fascinated by celtic history!

I also live in wales, in a small mining town called Pontypool, in south wales.

This is a truely interesting topic as to regards with the rest of the posts, which more or less come to bear no fruit.

I have 2 questions..

1. Does anyone have a pic of the map?

2. Why has this map only now become to light?
(reminds me of project bluebeam, where they say archiological discoveries would change the way we think of religion)

My 2 Cents

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if it was cuts in the heather to let new shoots grow shouldnt that area be covered in plants or should it stlll look like cuts?

Thank you for this nice thread.

And...once again it turns out that a mere myth may have truth at its core.