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Whistleblower: NSA even collected credit card records

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posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 05:49 AM
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Whistleblower: NSA even collected credit card records


rawstory.com

On Wednesday night, when former NSA analyst Russell Tice told MSNBC's Keith Olbermann that the Bush administration's National Security Agency spied on everyone in the United States, specifically targeting journalists, the Countdown host was so flabbergasted that Tice was invited back for a second interview.

On Thursday, he returned to the airwaves with expanded allegations against the NSA, claiming the agency collected Americans' credit card records, and adding that he believes the massive, warrantless data vacuum to be the remnants of the Total Information Awareness program, shut down by Congress in 2003.
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posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 05:49 AM
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Now why exactly would the NSA (and by default the government) need everyones credit card records?

And why would this remnant of a closed down programme still be running?

Did bush authorise the continuation of this programme despite congress closing it down?

Perhaps this is one of the reasons bush and cheney are so keen to keep certain documents private.

There is also the possibility that this is part of a concerted effort on behalf of the Obama administration to break the power of the bush family once and for all - if he could show that illegal orders had been given, is it possible that he could begin the process of filing criminal charges against the previous administration?

rawstory.com
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posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 06:10 AM
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There just looking for the records of people who purchsed ATS gear form the ATS store using credit cards



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by alyosha1981
There just looking for the records of people who purchsed ATS gear form the ATS store using credit cards


Ignorance is a bliss, and somehow you are right in your misunderstanded humor. If we are afraid that the government are looking into what we borrow from libraries, then we should be even more afraid when your government is looking into what and how you spend your money on, since this is in basic a total pointer about your person, from sexuality to your political views, all these things can be collected through your spending money on different location with your credit card.

Best regards.

Loke.



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 06:35 AM
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there also remains the possibility that this could be related to the credit crunch in some way.

Would the previous administration be above selling this info to their friends and cronies on wall street?
Judging by their previous actions, I don't think they'd be above it at all......



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 07:00 AM
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More likely, they bought the information from their friends on Wall St... have you noticed the 'resale of information' clauses in, oh, every credit card agreement, Internet ISP plan, health care and insurance coverage, bank account paperwork, etc, etc.?

A side-step around the laws against the government spying on citizen's data is to have the government buy that data from the private sector, who collect and collate it, under the auspices of Byzantine but technically legal 'consent' of the individual customers.

Here's a YouTube video of part II of the Tice interview:




posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 07:02 AM
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Oh come on... is any one really surprised about this? Credit cards make all that information perfect to collect - a whole months transactions is only a very small amount of data to save.

It's kinda why I'm sus about having any of those store loyality cards.



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 07:08 AM
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It's not just credit card records, they have everything about you. And as for the "closed down programme", do you really thing it's closed down? Or did the TV say so?

As for Bush's "authorisation", what makes you think they need it? He just does as he's told, like everyone else.

And the idea that Obama will change anything shows nobody has learnt anything about how this world works...


Just keep taking the blue pill. Everything will be ok.



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by budski

And why would this remnant of a closed down programme still be running?


Makes you wonder what else is still running that should have been closed down years ago. MK Ultra ring any bells. After all how can we prove that secret programs are still running, after all the key word here is "secret". There could be any number of other programs running that that we don't know about.



posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by NuclearPaul
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It's not just credit card records, they have everything about you. And as for the "closed down programme", do you really thing it's closed down? Or did the TV say so?


If you'd bother to read the article, you'd know that CONGRESS ordered it closed down.

Your snide remarks add nothing to the debate.



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 01:22 PM
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Makes me think back to the underwater cables that got cut off the coast of Duabi that controlled all the internet actions on the eastern hemisphere. Only a American company could get that deep to fix it and probly attach a few bells and whistles while there at it.




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