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Stalag 17: American Style

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posted on Apr, 11 2004 @ 01:06 PM
Gen. Tommy Franks said in an interview that all it would take for America to fall under martial law is one more big terror attack. There are plans for civilian internment when that day comes.

Along the Danube River in Austria about forty miles from Vienna, a prison camp called Stalag 17 was one of many prisoner of war facilities during WWII, containing wooden barracks surrounded by double fences of barbed wire and guard towers. The 1953 Billy Wilder film "Stalag 17" is a close reproduction of the actual facilities, although the actors were obviously not as hungry, dirty, and overcrowded as the real prisoners were.

Similar facilities exist in America, many in remote areas across our country adjacent to major highways, railroads, and airports. The infrastructure for incarcerating and executing resisters and dissenters in the coming American Holocaust has been already set up, according to the 1968 government plans code-named Operation Cable Splicer and Operation Garden Plot (FM 19-15), sub programs of the Rex 84 Program.

posted on Apr, 11 2004 @ 01:42 PM
The exact quote is

Two years after the fact of 9/11, we should ask ourselves what is-not in 1941, not in 1917, 1918 - today, in the twenty-first century, what is the worst thing that can happen in our country? The worst thing that can happen is, perhaps-and this is my personal opinion-two steps. The first step would he a nexus between weapons of mass destruction of any variety. It could he chemical, it could he biological, it could he some nuclear device; and terrorism. Terrorists or any human being who is committed to the proposition of terror, try to just create casualties, not for the purpose of annihilation, but to terrify a population. We see it in the Middle East today, in order to change the mannerisms, the behavior, the sociology and, ultimately, the anthropology of a society.

That goes to step number two, which is that the western world, the free world, loses what it cherishes most, and that is freedom and liberty we've seen for a couple of hundred years in this grand experiment that we call democracy. Now, in a practical sense, what does that mean? It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive casualty-producing event somewhere in the western world-it may be in the United States of America-that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass-casualty-producing event. Which, in fact, then begins to potentially unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps: very, very important.

posted on Apr, 11 2004 @ 01:45 PM
I wonder how long it would take for an underground revolution to begin - when this takes place?

posted on Apr, 11 2004 @ 01:58 PM
EastCoastKid > there probably wont be any real underground revolution, most people dont have the guts to actually do half the crap they go on about. The simple fact is that most would go willingly if only to maintain some kind of normalcy in their life. Those who did resist would simply be target practice and end up in bags with toe-tags. I used to entertain thoughts that a resistance would be possible, but now with every passing day its just confirmed how spineless and uncaring most of humanity really is about things like this.

posted on Apr, 11 2004 @ 04:21 PM
Personally I would not join a movement, but I would do what I could to help out their cause. I believe a movement has already started... just look at the ATS boards. It may not be in the stages that justify it as 'organized', but the members have already joined. I want world peace, and if that means lowering myself to the same level of killing every last human that would kill to further their own purpose, then so be it. Sometimes you really do have to fight fire with fire... many dead hippies have proven that. I'm so anti-war it's not funny, but I do know that being peacfull to bring about peace won't work on the warmonger apes. They'll just run your ass over with a tank.

I would give up every comfort that I have right now to fight against the US Gov if it declared marshall law. Bastards have taken advantage of enough of the population already. I don't understand the concept of 'norm'... never made sense to me at all. I have slept winter nights in cars, been in wierd situations, and I just look at it as another experience. I believe alot of other 'gutter-punks' feel the same way. Something has always seemed un-natural about American 'norm', and the view of a perfect, typical, storybook American Household.

So, when you say that Americans are spineless and would never really fight for what they think is right, think again. I know at least a couple dozen other people who are ready for something like this to happen (quite a few even went through a military term).

I guess I shouldn't really be stating my stance on a public board, but the government should know that it will recieve retaliation for such inappropriate actions.

alternateheaven[/], you said ''s just confirmed how spineless and uncaring most of humanity really is about things like this". I assume I could consider you an ally in such a situation?

posted on Apr, 11 2004 @ 04:26 PM
wtf are you people talking about?

posted on Apr, 12 2004 @ 07:31 AM
I'll never forget how it felt to see the movie "Red Dawn." I was in junior high and never even contemplated the idea of the United States being invaded. It was such a foreign concept.

In the beginning all the kids are in school, sitting in class. As the teacher drones on a kid looks out the window and his eyes go all big. The audience then sees what he sees: a sky full of parachutes descending from the sky. The whole class jumps up and runs to the windows. All hell breaks loose. The Soviet Union invaded the USA.

A group of kids band together. They jump into a pickup truck, swing by one of their parents' store and they load that truck up w/food, water, ammo and anything else the dad can think of. Then they haul A$$ to the mountains where they hole up together.

Once it all sinks in, they venture out for a little recon. They realize they can only do one thing: become freedom fighters. They call themselves the Wolverines - if I remember right. And they cause mucho mayhem for the soviet occupiers in their area.

It was fascinating and scary. They locate a detention camp where family members are being held. Not much they can do about that. The country is partitioned and factions are fighting. As the movie moves into its conclusion, the Wolverines are forced to move to higher and higher ground. It was very prescient, as I can now see this occuring - but from within. At the hands of our own wicked, traiterous leadership.

The only thing the people can do at that point is to go completely underground, to move into the wilderness areas and to disappear there. It'll be the last bastion of quasi-freedom. For a time. Think about Eric Rudolph - the accused abortion clinic bomber. He disappeared for quite awhile - even in the rinky dink Appalachian mountains.

People get ready. The day is coming. Get yourself a plan. It may not save you. But then again, it might.

As to the question of whether or not people will go willingly.. Some will. Some won't go without a helluva fight. I'll do whatever I have to do to remain free and fight for America's freedom - for as long as it takes. Even if that means dying for my freedom. What will you do?

posted on Apr, 12 2004 @ 07:38 AM
Spend a little time with the site's Boolean Search function... You'll find that many of our site's long-time members and staff have actually visited the "internment camps" listed on these and similar reports. They found one of two situations: 1) The listed "internment camp" was actually a functioning medium-security prison, or 2) The listed "internment camp" was in such a state of disrepair, that it's unlikely that it could be used after several months of work, much less at a "moments notice" as the stories seem to indicate. The concepts of these camps have long been a popular topic in current Internet-inspired conspiracy mythos, but when one actually does real research on these topics, they find a different story.

posted on Apr, 12 2004 @ 07:47 AM
I appreciate your comments, SkepticOverlord. But we will have to agree to disagree. I will post more information about this as I come across them. I suggest anyone reading this thread do their own research on this topic. I assure you, the day is coming.

And btw, go back to pre-Nazi Germany, no one there ever thought something like Auschwitz and Dauchau would ever happen, either.

This time it will be far worse.

posted on Apr, 12 2004 @ 08:45 AM
So... you're going to find informtion on questionable websites instead of relying on the first-hand experiences of people who have actually gone to the supposed internment camps? odd.

posted on Apr, 12 2004 @ 08:47 AM
And btw, go back to pre-Nazi Germany, no one there ever thought something like Auschwitz and Dauchau would ever happen, either.

Hitler did.

Read either Mein Kampf vol 1 or 2.

[Edited on 12/4/04 by COOL HAND]

posted on Apr, 12 2004 @ 08:56 AM
Here's a list of sites mentioned - for anyone who wants to do their own investigating.

A m e r i c a n
Concentration Camps

Known U.S. Relocation Centers
as of January 28, 2000 rs.htm

Might wanna check this out, too. It's the Model State Health Powers Act. Guidelines for a major health emergency - giving states special powers - to say, quarentine civilians.

posted on Apr, 12 2004 @ 10:07 AM
Here's some more info. on possible detention facilities.
Washington State Congressman Jim McDermott is speaking about the possibility here:

House of Representatives - March 11, 2003

Madam Speaker, I come to the House floor tonight to talk about an issue which I think is of grave concern to this country.

I recently read an article published in the Sydney, Australia, Morning Herald entitled ``Foundations Are in Place for Martial Law in the United States.''

The author is a man named Ritt Goldstein, an investigative reporter for the Herald, and he said that recent pronouncements from the Bush administration and national security initiatives put in place in the Reagan era could see internment camps and martial law in the United States.

Internment Camps and Authoritarian US
Fast Becoming Reality
By Ritt Goldstein
Copyright 2002
All Rights Reserved

America as you know it is changing dramatically. The democratic freedoms which long defined American life are under siege. Today's Bush administration is moving towards America's military pursuing law enforcement, internment camps are on the horizon, and a member of the US Civil Rights Commission previously broached Arab-American internment. As the FBI pursues an unprecedented investigation of Senators for leaking the truth,[1] Bureau monitoring of domestic dissent and internet traffic has intimidated many into comparative silence. Concurrently, the US Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) poses an unseen threat to the America we know, recalling a darkly obscure side of recent US history.

Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision
Attorney general shows himself as a menace to liberty
by Jonathan Turley
14 August 2002
Los Angeles Times

Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace.

Ashcroft's plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow him to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily strip them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by declaring them enemy combatants.

1998 by Claire Wolfe
In 1942, Franklin D. Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066, sending more than 110,000 people to relocation camps. Most of the internees were U.S. citizens. They were transported from temperate climates to the wind-wracked deserts of California, Arizona and Wyoming. The property they left behind was legally looted by their neighbors. They were shut within barbed-wire enclosures and bare, tar-paper barracks all for the crime of having Japanese ancestry.

posted on Apr, 12 2004 @ 11:51 AM
Gotta love this ridiculous scoring system.
Someone who doesn't like certain info. to get out or someone who doesn't have a case to argue can just click that zero button or whatever and try to make it look bad.
It's pretty silly, really.

Anyone interested in this subject has enough info. from this thread to at least get started on researching this subject. I encourage everyone to look into it. It's for real, despite what some would have you believe. Here's some more info (from the military).

FM 3-19.40

From the Preface:
Field Manual (FM) 3-19.40 depicts the doctrinal foundation, principles, and processes that MP will employ when dealing with enemy prisoners of war (EPWs), civilian internees (CIs), US military prisoner operations, and MP support to civil-military operations (populace and resource control [PRC], humanitarian assistance [HA], and emergency services [ES]). FM 3-19.40 is not a standalone manual, and it must be used in combination with other publications. These publications are pointed out throughout the manual, and a consolidated list is provided in the bibliography.

posted on Apr, 12 2004 @ 12:54 PM
Here's a list of Executive orders relating to FEMA and related reporting by someone who claims to have seen some of these - so far - empty facilities.

FEMA's 911 Concentration Camps

It is not a pretty site to see.
Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA)

What is the Federal Emergency Management Agency? Simply put, it is the "secret government". This agency has powers and authority that go well beyond any other agency in the nation. What can FEMA do? It can suspend laws. It can move entire populations. It can arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and can hold them without a trial. It can seize property, food supplies, and transportation systems. And it can even suspend the Constitution of the United States.

posted on Apr, 17 2004 @ 12:05 AM
I'm just curious.. who scored this thread down? If you have the balls to step up and explain yourself, considering the shyteload of information I've provided, that would be nice.

I doubt you will, though.

posted on Apr, 17 2004 @ 12:19 AM

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
So... you're going to find informtion on questionable websites instead of relying on the first-hand experiences of people who have actually gone to the supposed internment camps?


I find most people who think that the government has the capability to declare martial law at a moments notice and inter thousands, if not millions, of citizens tend not to let fact get in the way of their pre-formed opinion. They actually trust movies to be accurate portrayals of life, instead of real-life events.

Take "Red Dawn" as an example. If there were a real Soviet invasion, those half a dozen kids would have been dead within a few months, not the bane of the entire Cuban occupation force.

posted on Apr, 17 2004 @ 12:25 AM
I suggest you do a little research into Rex 84 and Garden Plot.

"Red Dawn" was just a movie. You're reading too much into it.

Our enemies are now within.

Explain to me why, in the days leading up to 9-11, Govenor Jeb Bush prepared his state for the implementation of marital law.

posted on Apr, 17 2004 @ 12:31 AM

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
I suggest you do a little research into Rex 84 and Garden Plot.

I suggest you do a little research into the feasibility of such actions. It has been shown many, many times in many threads that all these supposed camps are in no way suitable for the responsibilities mass internment would require.

Explain to me why, in the days leading up to 9-11, Govenor Jeb Bush prepared his state for the implementation of marital law.

Explain to me why Bush would only have a single state declare martial law? It makes no sense that Bush would release such information to one state (albeit his brother's), and not to the ones who he supposedly knew were actually going to be attacked.

You keep focusing on the answer. You need to focus on the question. Not what occured, but why it occured.

posted on Apr, 17 2004 @ 12:42 AM
There are camps in the US. I don't know the condition but they were set up during WWII.

If you're interested check out the links below.


Some more links

Has anyone debunked these photos?

A couple more camps

Camp Harmony


Camps in Arkansas

Camps on ATS

Some pictures including location map

Operation Garden Plot

FEMA and PDD39


Field Manual 3-19.40

Some Locations

Pictures and maps

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