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Thank you, PRESIDENT Bush.

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posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by West Coast

Originally posted by RFBurns
No..actually it was Reagan and Bush Sr. who left us Al-Qeada to deal with since we supported them during the invasion of Afghanistan by the former Soviet Union.


Lets get one thing straight, the US did not create Al Qeada, the US created the northern Alliance, which also helped disband the Taliban in the early stages of war in a post 911 world in Afghanistan. You are confusing the Northern Alliance with Al Qeada, two seperate groups...



Norther Alliance eh..if it makes you feel better to call it that. Fact is..if you do some history to "get it straight"...you will find that GHWB goes back buddy buddy with them LONG before he was vice pressy and before head of CIA. The whole "Al-Qeada and Taliban, and our involvement with them, goes back into Nixon and Ford's era.


Originally posted by West Coast

We helped to create Al-Qeada and the Taliban.


Again, your dead wrong... The US created the NORTHERN ALLIANCE, an anti Taliban group, who additionally were the ones the US supported in the form of aid, in their fight against the former soviet union.


Agian..call it what makes you feel comfy cozy. Fact is..you cannot change the history or change the fact of our involvement in what started it all, and led to what was 8 years ago, and what is today.

History Corrected

The US involvement in Afghanistan


I just love those who like to cut out parts of history so they can feel better about denial.



Originally posted by West Coast

IMO tho, I think Bush did not resolve anything with Al-Qeada, he only ruffled their feathers somewhat and they are still out there...especially their leader..the USA's public enemy #1.


Would you rather we cease all activity in trying to find Mr. Osama?


What activity is that? Oh...stop the big bad Iraqi's who had no intention of threatening us..cept King Gorgie N Co oil interests, oh ya but now after this WMD fiasco outright lie, we definately have enemies to be concerned about now dont we..courtesy of your King Gorgie N Co.



Originally posted by West Coast

Oh some say he is dead..well we have no proof of that. What we do have as proof..is that Osama Bin Laden is still un-captured after the 7 years of the Bush admin.


And in that seven years, the US has not experienced an attack on the US homeland. Instead, the US has created a fly trap in the ME, where terrorist flock to fight the US presence, and meet their deaths at the hands of American and Iraqi troops.


And in the 7 years of King Gorgie's reign, not only were there no more attacks from a supposedly group of people who are hell bent on killing every single American alive (how odd)...King Gorgie also allows open boarder policy and does nothing but send out all those American soliders to defend "freedom"...just who's freedom do you think they all died for anyway? Ours? Heh, while those men and women got sent off to a fabricated war over a lie by King Gorgie N Co, our freedoms here at 'homeland', were slowly being chipped away and set aside for this so called war on terrorism.

Ya..we had no attacks since 9/11...thats because the attack from an inside job only needs to be done once when that alone plus the daily propeganda of war cry by King Gorgie N Co put the entire nation into a fear frenzy of anything and everything, so much to a point where even to this day, that stain still lingers in the room as does the smell.


Originally posted by West Coast

We also have the WMD issue with Iraq, where we were told time and time again that Saddam had WMD, they were there, they know they are there, we have to go in and take him out. And we found NO WMD. We were not told that we are going in because he has the capability for WMD, which is something completely different from actually having any workable WMD.


Saddam had WMD's in the past, and he did use them against the Kurds... Another worry was that sanctions were about to expire on Saddam, and he could potentially restart several WMD programs.


Oh so now its the past....not at the time King Gorgie N Co declared that he had them, isnt that what the war cry drum beat was all about..that Saddam...big ol bad mean nasty Saddam...was out to wipe us out with his phantom WMD's? Ya..thats what King Gorgie N Co pounded into everyone's head for months. Then suddenly..."oh he doesnt have any WMD's..he just has the ability to have WMD's". Are you aware that WE suppied him with weapons..those very same weapons Saddam used against the Kurds??? Does the war of Iran/Iraq ring a bell...circa 1983.



US Supports Saddam Hussein

US support for Iraq war with Iran


Dont you just love how the story changes to fit the situation to make it all sound legit?


Originally posted by West Coast
In closing, consider this, from January 1993 to January 2001, the Clinton administration cut defense and Intelligent spending by 35%. Nine months later and America experiences the worst act of terrorism ever on American soil.


In closing..consider this...from 1992 to 2000, the Clinton administration collected a hord of intelligence information on a possible major terrorist attack on the US somewhere on the East coast. This information was passed on to King Gorgie N Co in 2000 and King Gorgie N Co did absolutely nothing, not even as much as tracking down those hijackers who were taking flight classes...some of them in FLORIDA..where King Gorgie's little brother just happend to be the gov, and did not even take his police state atomatons into those flight schools and yank those hijackers out of their classes to lock em up.

Imagine what would have been prevented had King Gorgie N Co had done their job before 9/11. We would have the WTC standing today, and over 2,500 people still alive, and how many lost service men and women who would not have had to go into a false pretense war just to protect King Gorgie and Darth Cheney's oil interests in the middle east.

Ya...definately alot to consider. If I were you, I would not exclude the entire historical record of where, when and how all this began.

If you were not around in 73 thru 86..well thats ok...find a library. In there will be everything you need to put those missing dots that bring it all into prospective.

So for all the King Gorgie N Co well wishers...that reign is over. Said and done. Outta here. History. The 11th our desperation to try to revive an already self tarnished record wont work.

Its better to just lick your wounds and move on. There is a new sheriff in town and its time for the country to return to its strength and integrity it used to have before the King Gorgie N Co disaster.

There are pictures of King Gorgie N Co available online and anyone can print them up, blow them up and hang them on the wall to worship for a lifetime. That will help relieve some of the anxiety of the fact that King Gorgie's reign has come to an end, and may help those who just cannot accept that fact, to ease the burden of the King Gorgie withdrawls.


Have a nice day!



edit to add links
Cheers!!!!

[edit on 24-1-2009 by RFBurns]




posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 02:43 AM
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Wow. So much hate and antipathy displayed here just because of a difference of opinion.

Can't tell you how many nastygrams and addition to FOE lists I've gotten. Whatever gets you thru the night.

Chill out, folks. Live and love.



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 02:47 AM
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R u thinks you were safe while Bush was on power?
He made America’s enemies for generations. How many countries Americans are safe to travel in Africa, Asia and Eastern Europe?
Politics of attacking countries not individuals for criminal act will on the end be a Bush legacy that will loom over America for generations!



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 03:09 AM
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So, in one thread you bemoan the lack of class on the part of Americans for disrespecting the office of the president, and in the next you insult our sitting president by bestowing his title on his predecessor.

Seriously, stop for five seconds and realize for the first time in your life that you truly are no different than those people you hate the most.



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 03:24 AM
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I am totally different. I do not hold hands with a socialist who wants to destroy our way of life.

You need to realize that is my position.



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 03:30 AM
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I just don't understand how anyone could be "thankful" to the absolute WORST president and administration in U.S. history.

"He kept us safe?" 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!

There are some seriously deluded people in America.



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 04:37 AM
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Destroy your way of life????

Did you actually live in America for the last 8 years????



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 04:38 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
The Bush legacy can be defined by one issue: He kept the American people safe from further attacks after 9/11.

How many? We will not know for another 30 years, when those records are disclosed. They cannot be released right now because they would compromise national security.

But he was a single issue President. And for this, we owe him our thanks and respect.

Don't mention the economy. Talk to Barney Frank and the rest of those fools for that mess.

Don't talk Patriot Act. None of you were affected in the very least.

Thank you, Mr. Bush. PRESIDENT Bush.



Ok, I wont mention the economy or the patriot act. Nor will I bother mentioning any other atrocities this president created for the American people. You, my friend, are oblivious. I'd elaborate, but you obviously wouldn't even begin to understand. And for that, I apologize. With that said, I thank Bush for absolutely nothing. Keep reaching.


Baffled,
Strype



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 05:13 AM
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reply to post by RFBurns
 


Also, RFBurns....the 'Bush Team' completely missed the significance of the PDB that was titled "Bin Laden Determined to Attack America". NOR did the incoming transition team care to listen to ANY of the outgoing President's teams' warnings....so arrogant were they!!!

There were, in retrospect as we know now, plenty of significant warnings known to the Bush WH re: possible airliner hijackings, yet NONE of these concerns were disseminated to us, the Airline Employees you actually flew the airplanes, who sat through annual, sometimes semi-annual 'ground-school' seminars and training sessions to ensure we were fully briefed on the latest threats....NO!!! All we got were the same old tired briefings, based on experiences of 1970's hijackings to Cuba!!! With a repeat of the so-called 'common-strategy'.....

Very pathetic!!!!

THIS IS THE Legacy of the Bush Adminstration!!!!!

Until 11 September, 2001....when Bush just sits there and does nothing, with a look on his face that has been captured for all to see....he was so far in over his head, it is doubly pathetic.

SO....that tragedy unfolded, and now airline travel is seemingly irrevocably changed....and, unfortunately, the initial knee-jerk reaction hasn't yet subsided....because most of what is put out there as 'security' is pure bogus nonsense.....



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 05:20 AM
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Very true. All because of a title in an intelligence report, the information was ignored. How insane was that!

I have a collection of videos of King Gorgie N Co making statements like Osama is priority, then not a priority, WMD's in Iraq, then not in Iraq. It was like a game to them, numbing then dumbing the public and they just stood there with smiles and smirky chuckles..like they just knew that they had done the biggest scam ever.

Cheers!!!

[edit on 24-1-2009 by RFBurns]



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 05:32 AM
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j'becky.....really, for just a few hours, turn AWAY from the travesty that calls itself Fox 'News' and begin to think in the clear!

You sorta gave it away, with that 'socialist' comment!

Based on eight years of George W. Bush, I COULD make the claim that HE was a Socialist!!! I mean, the policies he signed off on, the re-distrubution of wealth....(the 'trickle UP') OK, more of a Marxist-Communist than Socialist, well in the style of the Old Soviet Union, to be honest, that was/is the Bush/Cheney legacy!!!



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
an illegal war


It wasn't illegal.

Congress approved and therefore it wasn't illegal in the USA.

Saddam was breaking UN mandates and the penalty for breaking those mandates included possible military force. Therefore it wasn't illegal by UN measure either.

The mantra 'illegal war' is just ignorant drivel spun by the left.



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 05:37 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
Can't tell you how many nastygrams and addition to FOE lists I've gotten. Whatever gets you thru the night.


- Ignore the nastygrams. I do .. and I laugh at those who send them.

- I also laugh when people get upset and put me on FOE lists. They don't realize that it says RESPECTED foe. It's a title of honor. But instead, people get upset and smack the 'foe' label on someone that they decide they don't like. It's silly.

My foe list is empty.
If I have a 'FOE', then I don't respect them.
If I disagree with someone, that doesn't mean they are a foe.



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
It wasn't illegal.

Congress approved and therefore it wasn't illegal in the USA.

Saddam was breaking UN mandates and the penalty for breaking those mandates included possible military force. Therefore it wasn't illegal by UN measure either.

The mantra 'illegal war' is just ignorant drivel spun by the left.


What UN mandates did Saddam break? Was he threatening anyone? Was he building any WMD's? Keep in mind he was severely defeated during Desert Storm, which took his military might back into the stone age.

The fact that the intelligence given by King Gorgie N Co to the congress was fraudulent and basically a fisad, technically makes the decleration of the war illegal and also a serious issue regarding an administration purposely falsifying reports to congress, and certian members of said congress in the King Gorgie N Co "pack" knowing that it was all a lie.

I dont doubt that probably within the next 6 months or so, we hear something about a major inquery and investigation about the last 8 years.



Cheers!!!!



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 06:08 AM
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FF, please re-read your history.

The Congress 'authorized' the potential for an armed invasion of the Country of Iraq.

ONLY the Congress can 'declare war'. Yet, no 'WAR' has ever been officially declared by the Congress.

Just as in Korea, and VietNam, and NOW Iraq....it is simply a 'military action', or whatever cute euphemism you wish to use.

It is those 'horrible, left-wing-leaning-liberal MEDIA' who keep using the term 'war'.

the 'KOREAN WAR'.....the 'VIETNAM WAR'....the so-called 'war on drugs', the so-called 'war on terror'....what a bunch of baloney!!!

And now, in that grand 'tradition', the so-called 'Iraq War'....(it will likely be capitalized in years hence)....AND, to those who know no better, the country is NOT pronounced 'eye-rack'!!!!

Again, history will show that NO WAR was ever 'declared' by the congress in Korea, nor in Vietnam, nor in Iraq.

Oh, well....see, back when President....what's his name again? Oh! Bush (41) brought together a great coalition of countries to stem the tide of Iraq's, under the rule of Saddam Hussein, incursion into Kuwait with the intent to take over that tiny country....some call that the 'Desert Storm'.....NOTICE, please, no hint of the word 'war' there.

I guess the problem lies in the ability of people to read a dictionary, and to discern the difference between what is a 'battle' and what is a 'war'.

The word 'war' has been too loosely thrown around in decades past, the 'war on words', the 'war of the hemlines', the 'War Between the States'....OK, THAT was a real War!! AS WAS WWI and WWII, and the Revolutionary War!!!!

Please note the distinctions:


To re-cap: IN the United States, it is a War IF Congress declares it as such. A simple vote for 'possible' military action, which grants the President some authority, and then IF that President exceeds that grant by considering it a mandate....still NOT a 'war', by definition. Just, a Chief Executive run amok...which is what we've seen for the last seven years.

Remember, please, that the USA is Democratic Republic. It is a Nation Of the People, By the People, and For the People. The important part of that last sentence is 'People'....not "senator" or "congressman"....but, unfortunately, as it's turned out, the 'People', or more modern term...'citizens'...are tasked with electing their 'representatives', whether to the House or to the Senate.....the first part, the 'electing' part is the Democratic aspect of our system. the Republic part of our system is HOW we are DEMOCRATICALLY REPRESENTED after any election.

Sorry for the civics lesson, guess many of our international members already know these ideals, but it seems that many modern US citizens seem to be lacking in their understanding of the concept.

Compare that scheme to other viable and stable 'democracies'...those such as in Australia and Canada and the UK that utilize a different system, but ultimately achieve stability....even though it seems impossible, to us Yanks! The Parliamentary System....which seems as hard to understand to me as likely the US system of Representational Democracy does to others. Good to share our thoughts, though....



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker

Sorry for the civics lesson, guess many of our international members already know these ideals, but it seems that many modern US citizens seem to be lacking in their understanding of the concept.



Weedwhacker...by all means post as much civic lessons as necessary to wake up these sleeping "follow King Gorgie N Co" folks who just dont seem to get it.

You deserve a star for that one!



Cheers!!!!



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
The Bush legacy can be defined by one issue: He kept the American people safe from further attacks after 9/11.



Oh, Pulleese

It was it was your own Governments Policies and Agendas that
made you a target in the first place.

It didn't happen just to get into the record books, there was a
reason. Prior to that faithful day, the US had pissed of several
countries around the world, with their attitude.

The trend looks sets to continue as Obama has already hired
some of jews that clinton had.


A New Hope, I think not



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 07:33 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
The Bush legacy can be defined by one issue: He kept the American people safe from further attacks after 9/11.

How many? We will not know for another 30 years, when those records are disclosed. They cannot be released right now because they would compromise national security.

But he was a single issue President. And for this, we owe him our thanks and respect.

Don't mention the economy. Talk to Barney Frank and the rest of those fools for that mess.

Don't talk Patriot Act. None of you were affected in the very least.

Thank you, Mr. Bush. PRESIDENT Bush.



you CANNOT be serious.
Your THANKING him?
THANKING?!
NOBODY could be affected?
Dude! How far do I have to reach to pull your head out of your ass huh?
A known statement he has made was I would invade Iraq, even if there was no Iraq. Also, I wish I'd had more weapons of mass destruction.
Think of the people who have been killed in this stupid war?
Think they've been affected by it man?

I'm stunned. really. Sitting here,
Somebody is on his side through all of this. Somebody's actually gone out of there way to post this on this forum.

Have you done you're proper research of the 9/11 attacks?
You say he has kept you from more attacks since that?...
I hate to break it to you, but the 9/11 case was an inside job.


Bush aint all sunshine and rainbows. I thought that would have been half obvious by now.

Don't bother replying..
I won't return.



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 07:42 AM
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in regards to your comments about gw and his presidency , i am truly in awe at some your idiotic fantasies .. first let me tell you that every potus who ever lived and served has had secrets in thier admins. .. if you you dont think so , you are too naive to be legit .. gw will be remembered as a great leader who made decisions that where unpopular but necessary , and used no one to hide behind .. as time goes by , and all the kool aid wears off , alot of the obama sheep will find out that indeed the kool aid was spiked .. not me .. i will refuse to get in line for my forehead tag.. by the way all the " obama will fix the economy and pay my way " people , did you notice they had you in the sun the day they gave you kool aid ... shouldnt have had 2 cups .. let me try to get through the haze in your heads ... your new pres . is one of the knuckleheads responsible for the mess of an economy we are in .. he most definately wanted the poor blacks to get loans that anyone with a double digit iq knows had a snowballs chance in ---- of ever being repaid .. these people are the mainstay voters for the dems .. this whole recession was brought on by the left nuts being so desperate to get power back they had to get the poor voters to come out .. hence the poor housing loans ... gw was the scapegoat even though he screamed to congress l;ike 15 over the past 3 yrs to fix the problem ... the blame for this mess sits on the shoulders of barney frank , dodd , pelosi and the rest of the looney goof balls ... it was and is all about getting votes .. the 3 above mentioned need to be put out in public and given real jobs ... they would starve to death .. bushes presidency will always be one of the best .. open your eyes .... and your miind



posted on Jan, 24 2009 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by RFBurns
What UN mandates did Saddam break? Was he threatening anyone?

Answered below ...


Originally posted by RFBurns
wake up these sleeping "follow King Gorgie N Co" folks who just dont seem to get it.

You obviously didn't read my post here a few pages back or you wouldn't be saying that.
And as far as 'not getting it' ... read up and learn ..

UN resolution 1441


... false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations."



On January 27, 2003 Chief UN Weapons Inspector Blix addressed the UN Security Council and stated "Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance -- not even today -- of the disarmament, which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace."[5] Blix went on to state that the Iraqi regime had allegedly misplaced "1,000 tonnes" of VX nerve agent -- one of the most toxic ever developed.


UN resolution 1373

The “Authorization for the Use of Force in Iraq” is the title of a resolution passed by both the House and the Senate, with Democratic as well as Republican majorities. It has 23 clauses spell out the rationale for the war and only two of them mention stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction.

Saddam broke or ignored 16 UN resolutions that he was REQUIRED to fulfill since he lost Gulf War I - (actually, we were only in a truce and the continued truce was depending on Saddam fulfilling the UN resolutions). Two of the resolutions, 687 and 689, discussed the truce terms. When Saddam violated them HE was the legal casue of war HIMSELF.

The truce after Saddam was kicked out of Kuwait was sealed by UN resolutions 687 and 689. These were conditions that kept the truce in place and allowed Saddam to remain in power. These resolutions instructed Saddam to disarm and to stop his programs to develop weapons of mass destruction. He did neither.

- He gassed the Kurds with WMD.
- His own brother-in-law who was in charge of his nuclear weapons program defected and told us he did.
- Saddam obstructed the inspectors and threw the UN inspectors out
- Continued breaking of the No Fly Zone.
- Theft of Billions in the Oil for Food program, $$$ that was to go to the Iraqis themselves.
- The rape rooms and mass graves ...

Also - Under CLINTON - Congress authorized an Iraqi Liberation Act, which passed by an overwhelming majority from both parties.

And just for light reading ... (and I do mean LIGHT instead of lite) -
A soldiers blog



[edit on 1/24/2009 by FlyersFan]



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