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reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 01:35 AM by xpert11
reply to post by Frankidealist35



You have raised a very valid question . I am not surprised that you haven't got a reply from the few supporters of Bush former policy's that are left . There is one thing that I feel that I need to point out . It is possible to be proud of aspects of a leaders decision making or rather time in office . For example I am proud that former Prime Minster Helen Clark kept New Zealand out of the invasion of Iraq . I wouldn't say that I am proud of Helen Clark because I am less then happy with the health system having more bureaucrats then doctors and nurses and the outlawing of smacking .


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 01:51 AM by Razimus
reply to post by semperfortis



I agree that Bush held to his convictions, he did what he felt was best, he tried his best, he made some mistakes but I don't blame him too much, his weaknesses were obvious, he wasn't a very great speaker, he didn't get the best advice from his cabinet, I think we can look to Obama and hope for the same things in his term excepting the mistakes, maybe he can avoid them more easily thanks to Bush.


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 04:05 AM by semperfortis
reply to post by Frankidealist35



Does anyone actually feel safer from Bush's Presidency?


Yes I do

His illegal wiretapping program.


Do you mean the one supported by the FSA and upheld in court challenges?

beaurocracy of the homeland security department


Do you mean the bureaucracy?

Rather, he gave the military unlimited power


By He do you mean the unanimous vote by the House and Senate in support of President Bush's actions?

but to go to Iraq when we should have gone to Afghanistan.


uhhhhhh
We did.

It took about 4 years for Bush to recognize Global Warming


Do you mean the Myth of Global Warming?

allow for pharmacies to not hand you OCDs that you need... or would allow for a doctor to not give you an abortion if you needed one.


What????
Sources please as to what you are talking about.

By saying that you are proud to call Bush President but not proud to call Obama President, as, someone else said, is a partisan statement.


I like Killian's Red Beer and do NOT like Miller. Is it wrong to state that?

just like history vindicated Hitler


When did that happen?
Sources please.

Semper


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 04:21 PM by Frankidealist35
Originally posted by semperfortis
reply to
post by Frankidealist35



Does anyone actually feel safer from Bush's Presidency?


Yes I do

I don't.

His illegal wiretapping program.


Do you mean the one supported by the FSA and upheld in court challenges?
That's only for foreign intelligence (calls coming from people outside the uSA. Bush isn't supposed to spy on American citizens. Also, the book The Shadow Factory exposes how the NSA makes contracts with foreign business partners. I think you have a right to privacy. You should be worried. Journalists have been wiretapped, anti war protestors and people who protested the death penalty have been tapped, and, if I were you, I would worry if you were an activist about getting your phone line and your communications trapped/intercepted.

beaurocracy of the homeland security department


Do you mean the bureaucracy?
Yes.

Rather, he gave the military unlimited power


By He do you mean the unanimous vote by the House and Senate in support of President Bush's actions?
That was when Republicans were in control of the Senate.

but to go to Iraq when we should have gone to Afghanistan.


uhhhhhh
We did.
He put Afghanistan on the backburner. Then, he went to fight an unjust war. His real goal was to go into Iraq to find a WMD. When he didn't he said the war was to spread Democracy to the ME.

It took about 4 years for Bush to recognize Global Warming


Do you mean the Myth of Global Warming?
www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org...

allow for pharmacies to not hand you OCDs that you need... or would allow for a doctor to not give you an abortion if you needed one.


What????
Sources please as to what you are talking about.

On Thursday, December 18, president Bush signed into legislation a group of measures, known collectively as the conscience rule, that specifically addresses such discrimination within the healthcare industry. As a liberal, Barack Obama has said he wil undo many Bush Administration regulations once he takes office and this particular group of regulations is expected to be a part of his government reform measures.
The Bush Administration is said to be involved in approving a flurry of regulations, signed at the last minute, so they become effective just one day before the Obama Administration is sworn in. All new acts take effect 30 days after they are published in the Federal Register. The Bush conscience rule, approved on December 18 and published in the December 19 issue of the register, is one of many new regulations facing the new administration. Even with the in-coming administration’s vows to undo them, their undoing will be time consuming.
Under the conscience rule, as under the 1964 civil rights act, anyone who suffers job discrimination for refusing to do work they find religiously or morally objectionable can do so without jeopardizing their employment status. If such discrimination is proven, the employer faces the loss or return of federal funding.

medheadlines.com...

By saying that you are proud to call Bush President but not proud to call Obama President, as, someone else said, is a partisan statement.


I like Killian's Red Beer and do NOT like Miller. Is it wrong to state that?
I happen to like both. I think Bush did the best he could with the circumstances he had. But, I dislike his foreign policy. But just because I like Obama doesn't mean I didn't support Bush at one time. I assumed that you were intentionally trying to imply that you support Bush more than Obama, although, he is President now.

just like history vindicated Hitler


When did that happen?
Sources please.

I was being sarcastic.


[edit on 31-1-2009 by Frankidealist35]



reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 06:25 PM by semperfortis
reply to post by Frankidealist35



I don't.


You asked if anyone did.

That's only for foreign intelligence


Apparently the courts disagree with you on what transpired. I will go with the courts.

That was when Republicans were in control of the Senate.


See the word Unanimous above. Democrats all voted in favor as well.

Then, he went to fight an unjust war


Was it unjust to free an oppressed people?
Was it unjust to remove a dictator that was actively committing genocide; killing hundreds of thousands of Kurds using poison gas?
I supported the war, and I support staying there now at the request of the Democratically Elected Government of Iraq.

medheadlines.com...


I am opposed to Abortion on Demand.
And the misuse of Pharmaceuticals.

I think Bush did the best he could with the circumstances he had.


And yet your comments would indicate otherwise.

Semper


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 08:52 PM by Frankidealist35
Originally posted by semperfortis
reply to
post by Frankidealist35



I don't.


You asked if anyone did.

True enough.

That's only for foreign intelligence


Apparently the courts disagree with you on what transpired. I will go with the courts.
It seems like you've landed on some misinformation.



WASHINGTON — In a rare public ruling, a secret federal appeals court has said telecommunications companies must cooperate with the government to intercept international phone calls and e-mail of American citizens suspected of being spies or terrorists.
The ruling came in a case involving an unidentified company’s challenge to 2007 legislation that expanded the president’s legal power to conduct wiretapping without warrants for intelligence purposes.

But the ruling, handed down in August 2008 by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review and made public Thursday, did not directly address whether President Bush was within his constitutional powers in ordering domestic wiretapping without warrants, without first getting Congressional approval, after the terrorist attacks of 2001.

www.nytimes.com...

That was when Republicans were in control of the Senate.


See the word Unanimous above. Democrats all voted in favor as well.

Right, but that doesn't excuse the President from the problem. I've seen Republicans like you act like since Congress okay'd it then it's okay and the President has no blame. Well, the President is responsible for his own actions, and, he is the leader of Congress. No one at the time questioned the Iraq war or questioned that there was false intelligence at the start of the war. I think you're being ignorant of the facts Semper. That's unlike you.

Then, he went to fight an unjust war


Was it unjust to free an oppressed people?
Was it unjust to remove a dictator that was actively committing genocide; killing hundreds of thousands of Kurds using poison gas?
I supported the war, and I support staying there now at the request of the Democratically Elected Government of Iraq.
His original purpose for going into Iraq was for (1)regime change, or (2)finding their WMDs. Anything else he said was just rhetoric to get public support for the war.

medheadlines.com...


I am opposed to Abortion on Demand.
And the misuse of Pharmaceuticals.
You can't regulate the medical industry with morals. Science and religion don't mix. People need pharmaceutical drugs. It's not your right to judge whether some patient needs a drug or not. There are also several cases when people need abortion. I think you simply oppose those two things because of your ideology or on moral grounds. People need help and if a doctor at a CVS pharmacy won't give them a drug and they die and you're okay with that... why do you feel like it's okay to not give people adequate medical care?

I think Bush did the best he could with the circumstances he had.


And yet your comments would indicate otherwise.

Semper
I think he did the best he could with all of the neoconservatives surrounding him in office.
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