Proud To Call Him Mr. President, page 4

reply to post by THELONIO

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sounds like you want saddam to kill all those people.
You my friend are a heartless SOB.
If you were the one who was getting those acid bath,
I imagine you would be happy to be freed by the US.
so now everyone the next time a leader like saddam
comes on the stage and starts to commit genocide
don't do anything.

reply to post by SUNRAY06

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First off chill out with the large text.
Second worry about Canada and we'll worry about america.

reply to post by THELONIO

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if you make all those loving comments what do you expect?

Level headed thought and intellectual reason.

Sadly missing, but I can still expect it.

The simple fact is that I, and others like me, don't care about being "Cool" or about going along with the crowd. We can see the truth for what it is.

It is "Cool" and "Popular" to be a Bush Basher and Bush Hater. It is much more difficult to stand against the "Cool Crowd" and for the truth.

Again, I will choose the more difficult path as I always have. It is easier now as for the past 8 years I have had an example to follow.

No I did not like or agree with his Immigration issues, but I agree with and support the win in Iraq and our staying there, in the ongoing conflict, at the request of the Democratically Elected Government.

Those are just two issues, but they are very pointed in their illustration. For while not agreeing with his Immigration Policy, I admire that he stood for what he believed in, even while I disagreed.

Again, the application of intellectual reasoning and level headed thought processes.

The difficult road

Semper

reply to post by spinkyboo

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nicely said
We know nothing about the guy,
But yet everyone seems to fall for the guy.
But we'll know soon enough if he knows what he's doing.

How amusing.

It would appear that some people on this site are having a genuine difficulty in telling the difference between standing by one's beliefs, and going about an agenda, not giving a flying [snip] about what might happen.



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Originally posted by Dark Jester
reply to post by spinkyboo

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nicely said
We know nothing about the guy,
But yet everyone seems to fall for the guy.
But we'll know soon enough if he knows what he's doing.

I was referring to Mr. Bush - not Mr. Obama.
: ) But - you are correct. We don't know Mr. Obama either.

reply to post by spinkyboo

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oh lol
star anyways
Now its time to see if obama can keep the terrorist out
without bowing down to them.

reply to post by semperfortis

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I wonder, is it because of subjective reasoning that you are proud of GWB or is it due to Party Loyalty? I pride myself on being independent. I agree with some Republican ideology, I agree with some ideology from Democrats.

The question is, are you better off now than you were 8 years ago? If you are then it's great. If your not why? Who led this country in the direction that made this life more difficult for you?

It is "Cool" and "Popular" to be a Bush Basher and Bush Hater. It is much more difficult to stand against the "Cool Crowd" and for the truth.

I simply must take exception to being called a Bush Basher, Bush Hater or going with the cool crowd. My personal views on the last administration comes from actually looking into policies that this man has implemented these last 8 years. I cannot agree with torturing POW's I cannot agree with going into a war with bad intelligence for reasons that are paper thin.

Yes it is true that now Iraq has a democratically elected government. This is true. However once our job there was finished. (finding WMDs that never existed & toppling Saddam Hussein from power) it was time for us to go home.

Is it our concern now how Iraq governs itself? Do you honestly believe that if we left sooner there would have been a civil war? Living here and discussing the issue with people that immigrated from Iraq I don't believe that there would have been a civil war. The insurgency we tried so hard to eliminate comes from people who don't like western ideology. Would these people have attacked their own government, the answer I believe is no.

The people of Iraq did not like Saddam Hussein, once he was gone they felt they were strong enough to govern themselves. However our commander in chief went against the will of the people of the newly freed Iraq and decided to stay. Imagine if our country was occupied by an invading force, imagine if your town had foreign soldiers in it, would you be happy to have them there? If they told you the only reason they were there was for your own good would you be happy about it?

Looking into policies of this man I came to the agreement that I did not like the way he governed our country these last 8 years. Yes it is true that the problems we faced weren't entirely his fault, it is true that he did keep Americans safe from terrorist attack. But the means to his ends I don't feel were justified. The reasoning behind his policies I don't feel were in the best interests of the American people. These ideologies I cannot be proud of. I cannot be proud of locking people away indefinitely with no trial and torturing them for information. I cannot agree with this policy. I cannot agree to internment camps. It just is not right.

Blind faith in our leadership is a bad thing Semper. One has to ask is it party loyalty or is it agreeing with the ideals of someone based on independent thought and agreeing with the direction a leader is taking our republic in.

reply to post by Skyfloating

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gave it back? not yet my friend. And has not given back the 500,000+ people that have died... including over 100,000 kids! just as bad as Hitler I might add...

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