Antichrist MYTH

There is a myth about the Antichrist that I keep seeing over and over in these boards. It is the long taught lie by many ministers and priests in the US that Antichrist simply is one that denies or goes against Christ.

Once again, this is another way that the secret societies control the truth.

John in Greek stated, "Antikhristos"..............

This would mean in the best sense to a modern day English speaker, "instead of the King of Kings". It does NOT mean anyone that denies Christ is God, or that he existed, or disagrees with his teachings, etc.

It is just one more lie that has been told by false apostate religious leaders and it has permeated society so well that as you can see in this forum, in almost every topic on the Antichrist, people bring this up about how Antichrist has no specific meaning as one person.

That is absolutely NOT what John wrote. "Instead of the King of Kings", or "in lieu of the King of Kings" is what he wrote, talking about specifically that there would be a worldwide ruler that would come to be over the people of the world and that he would be a "King of Kings", in lieu of, or instead of THE ACTUAL King of Kings, which is known to be Jesus Christ through that specific title.

He absolutely named a worldwide ruler that would rule over the people of the world and would be hailed as the "King of Kings" or Christ figure, but would not be him, but would be a fake Christ.

Yet, still this lie is repeated all through society that the Bible never mentions an Antichrist specifically as a person called "The Antichrist" and that the word doesn't mean what people think it does and is not mentioned in Revelation. Well, that's just because the English Bible has been manipulated and the churches in the US are riddled with apostate leaders that are tricking people.

There IS most certainly a distinct mentioning of a man coming at the "end times" that would be a world leader and would be viewed as being "King of Kings" (Christ figure), but would be nothing but an impostor and would reveal himself eventually to be an evil dictator.

So, I think people really need to start understanding on the whole Antichrist issue that what you are being told by church leaders in the US on the subject is generally complete BS and that if people really are intent on continuing this lie about what Antichrist means, or that it did not appear in Revelation, even after I have explained the truth of the issue, maybe just maybe they have ulterior motives. Since this is such a popular topic on ATS we should at least get the most basic facts of the issue correct for once.





[edit on 22-1-2009 by Red Cloak]

I think Lucifer refers to someone or something seperating himself from God. God is reality so that would mean someone seperated themselvs from reality to live in a delusion created by themselvs... Pretty much what mankind is doing...

What your actually doing is seperating yourself from yourself. It is when intellect is used without love and the expression of love is suppressed by the contradiction of logic. But love is all there is so in so doing you are denying reality itself and by doing that reality will destroy you because no one can ever be above reality. You are reality and you can not survive irrelevant to it.

[edit on 22-1-2009 by Wisen Heimer]

Actually, in John, it states nothing of a one time, all powerful, antichrist figure, that is the real myth. This antichrist person only exists in the prophetic school of Jesuit Futurism, as was written by Francisco Ribera in 1590. This writing is nothing more then a part of the Counter Reformation, meant to throw off the Protestant Leaders of the time who were saying that the Pope was the “antichrist”, the “little horn’, or “the beast”.

The word Antichrist does not appear in either of the two other major prophetic books, Revelations or Daniel. In Daniel the Beasts are all Kingdoms, or more specifically the World Superpowers of their time. In Revelations, the first beast is a compilation of the four beasts in Daniel, followed by a new beast, the Final World Superpower. The first four beasts are known to be Babylon, Media/Persia, Greece, Then Rome. In Daniel we see a figure emerge out of the Roman Empire, a man or station of men who might fit the description of an antichrist, but is still not the only antichrist who will ever exist. This man is most likely the “Pontifex Maximus”, as the description points almost exactly to that stations duties, and historical description. The Roman Pontifex Maximus would eventually become what we know today as the Holy Pontiff.

There are a number of reason why the beasts do not fit the description of a man, and must be a kingdom. One of which is that the Angel in Daniel specifically tells us these were kingdoms. Secondly is that John of Patmos wrote Revelations based on the same symbolic language of Daniel, and it would make no sense for him to confuse matters by naming a man with the description always used for kingdoms. In john it is also mentioned that (A) we were already in the end times in the days when it was written, and (B) there were already antichists around back then.

What is referred to in John as an antichrist type person are people who fall under this description, who would increase in numbers during the “falling away” or the “end times”:

2Ti 3:1-7 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

These types are the Man of Sin, the Sons of Perdition.

Originally posted by Red Cloak
There is a myth about the Antichrist that I keep seeing over and over in these boards. It is the long taught lie by many ministers and priests in the US that Antichrist simply is one that denies or goes against Christ.

Hello.

You can't say "all US church leaders".

What you wrote is correct, Antichrist will be a man who will rule all over the world. That's the stand of Orthodox Church:
fr-d-serfes.org...
www.impantokratoros.gr...

But remember this:

The Evangelist John tells us (1 John 2:22) "This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son." While Saint John Damascene assures us, that "he who does not con­fess the Son of God having come in the flesh and that he is perfect God and has become a perfect man, after being God, is antichrist" (P.G. 94, 1216). Whoever, that is, rejects the incarnation of Christ is antichrist. Whoever again are enemies of Christ's Faith, opponents of the Gospel of the Lord, are anti­christs. There existed many forerunners of the Antichrist in the past, but also very many who are working today in his own plans, as are the heresies, sorceries, Zionism and many interna­tional political and financial organizations.

You see, there is difference between antichrist and Antichrist .

Originally posted by defcon5
Actually, in John, it states nothing of a one time, all powerful, antichrist figure, that is the real myth. This antichrist person only exists in the prophetic school of Jesuit Futurism, as was written by Francisco Ribera in 1590. This writing is nothing more then a part of the Counter Reformation, meant to throw off the Protestant Leaders of the time who were saying that the Pope was the “antichrist”, the “little horn’, or “the beast”.

The word Antichrist does not appear in either of the two other major prophetic books, Revelations or Daniel. In Daniel the Beasts are all Kingdoms, or more specifically the World Superpowers of their time. In Revelations, the first beast is a compilation of the four beasts in Daniel, followed by a new beast, the Final World Superpower. The first four beasts are known to be Babylon, Media/Persia, Greece, Then Rome. In Daniel we see a figure emerge out of the Roman Empire, a man or station of men who might fit the description of an antichrist, but is still not the only antichrist who will ever exist. This man is most likely the “Pontifex Maximus”, as the description points almost exactly to that stations duties, and historical description. The Roman Pontifex Maximus would eventually become what we know today as the Holy Pontiff.

There are a number of reason why the beasts do not fit the description of a man, and must be a kingdom. One of which is that the Angel in Daniel specifically tells us these were kingdoms. Secondly is that John of Patmos wrote Revelations based on the same symbolic language of Daniel, and it would make no sense for him to confuse matters by naming a man with the description always used for kingdoms. In john it is also mentioned that (A) we were already in the end times in the days when it was written, and (B) there were already antichists around back then.

What is referred to in John as an antichrist type person are people who fall under this description, who would increase in numbers during the “falling away” or the “end times”:

2Ti 3:1-7 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

These types are the Man of Sin, the Sons of Perdition.

In Revelation, John wrote O Antikhristos, literally "The Antichrist". That is a fact. That is what it says in Greek, the language Revelation was written in.

[edit on 23-1-2009 by Red Cloak]

reply to post by Red Cloak


Please provide the chapter, verse, and preferably a quote.
I am using bible search software that includes the original language, and only John contains the word Antichrist. I believe that you have your verses mixed up.

reply to post by defcon5

You are correct. AntiChrist is only mentioned in 1 John and 2 John. These are the only mention of the word in the entire bible. It is NOT mentioned in Daniel, nor in Revelations:

1John.2:18-19: "18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us".
1John:2:22: "Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son". 1John.4:3: "2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world".
2 John 7: "7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist".

In 1 John 18-19, it is very clear that John is NOT referring to ONE person, since he clearly states that MANY antichrists have come.

reply to post by Red Cloak


Here is Strongs bible concordance:

G500
ἀντίχριστος
antichristos
an-tee'-khris-tos
From G473 and G5547; an opponent of the Messiah: - antichrist.

Which pulls up the following verses:

1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

If you have found the word Antichrist somewhere else in the Bible, I recommend you contact the people from Strong’s Concordance, as you have an Earth shattering piece of information.

Originally posted by Red Cloak
...It does NOT mean anyone that denies Christ is God, or that he existed, or disagrees with his teachings, etc. ...

1 John 2:22 (King James Version) Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Care to retract your statement?

[edit on 24-1-2009 by sir_chancealot]

Originally posted by defcon5
Please provide the chapter, verse, and preferably a quote.
I am using bible search software that includes the original language, and only John contains the word Antichrist. I believe that you have your verses mixed up.

2 Thessalonians 2 - The Man of Lawlessness (=Antichrist)

3Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,

Yea, I know, it's not written Antichrist, but that's exactly his description.

So, the Man of Lawlessness =Antichrist = beast .

reply to post by Vojvoda

Originally posted by defcon5
In Daniel we see a figure emerge out of the Roman Empire, a man or station of men who might fit the description of an antichrist, but is still not the only antichrist who will ever exist. This man is most likely the “Pontifex Maximus”, as the description points almost exactly to that stations duties, and historical description. The Roman Pontifex Maximus would eventually become what we know today as the Holy Pontiff.

Above is what this is pointing too:

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Quote from John Wesley’s Exploratory Notes on the Bible:

2Th 2:3 - Unless the falling away - From the pure faith of the gospel, come first. This began even in the apostolic age. But the man of sin, the son of perdition - Eminently so called, is not come yet. However, in many respects, the Pope has an indisputable claim to those titles. He is, in an emphatical sense, the man of sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled, the son of perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers, destroyed innumerable souls, and will himself perish everlastingly. He it is that opposeth himself to the emperor, once his rightful sovereign; and that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped - Commanding angels, and putting kings under his feet, both of whom are called gods in scripture; claiming the highest power, the highest honour; suffering himself, not once only, to be styled God or vice - god. Indeed no less is implied in his ordinary title, "Most Holy Lord," or, "Most Holy Father." So that he sitteth - Enthroned. In the temple of God - Mentioned Rev_11:1. Declaring himself that he is God - Claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone.

Again, none of this relates to the Beast of Revelations, Beasts are Kingdoms, and there would be one station of men that would fulfill the role of the “Little Horn”:

Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The Duties of the Pontifex Maximus, and later the Pontiff included:
Setting the Calendar. (Changing the Times)
Setting jus divinum or divine law. (Changing the Laws)
Speak Great words. (can be either Papal Authority, Emperor Worship, or both)
Wear out the Saints. (Put Christians to death in either the Arena, or the Inquisitions. Rome has killed more Christians then any other organization in history)

One final clue:

Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Very possibly a reference to the later name of the “Holy See”.

Originally posted by Vojvoda

So, the Man of Lawlessness =Antichrist = beast

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No its…
Man of Lawlessness=”Little Horn”
Antichrist=Anyone who denies Christ.
Beast=World Empire.

Daniel is very specific in letting you know that Beasts are always World Empires:
This is Rome:

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

This is Greece:

Dan 7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

This is Media-Persia:

Dan 7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

This is Babylon:

Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

This is Rome after ingesting the three empires before it:

Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

This is the final world superpower:

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Which is based on the same systems as Rome.

I may be incorrect, but there is the one reference to an anti-christ
then there are the pseudo-christs
...two different entities...

Pronunciation

psyü-do'-khrē-stos (Key)

Part of Speech
masculine noun

Root Word (Etymology)

from G5571 and G5547

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Outline of Biblical Usage
1) a false Christ (or Messiah)

2) one who falsely lays claim to the name and office of the Messiah



[View this word in Trench's Synonyms here.]

KJV Strong's G5580 matches the Greek ψευδόχριστος (pseudochristos).


(false AND Christ*) AND G5580
occurs in 2 verses in the KJV
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Mat 24:24 For 1063 there shall arise 1453 false Christs 5580, and 2532 false prophets 5578, and 2532 shall shew 1325 great 3173 signs 4592 and 2532 wonders 5059; insomuch that 5620, if 1487 [it were] possible 1415, they shall deceive 4105 the very 2532 elect 1588.

Mar 13:22 For 1063 false Christs 5580 and 2532 false prophets 5578 shall rise 1453 , and 2532 shall shew 1325 signs 4592 and 2532 wonders 5059, to 4314 seduce 635 , if 1487 [it were] possible 1415, even 2532 the elect 1588.

pseudochristos is quite different from the Anti-Christ found in
John , which is pointed out in an earlier post

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in one case, a 'pseudochrist', presents themselves as a real Messiah,
there have been several throughout history as was pointed out in an earlier thread.

whereas, an 'anti-christ', & there are many contemporary anti-christs
all through every and any Age... but few persons elevate themselves
& proclaim the mantle of 'Messiah', 'Anointed', 'Christ'

The Antichrist will come it's just a mater of time. And there are two clues to prove that.

Our lives are built on two separate ideas of knowledge.

The knowledge of things and the knowledge of love. And what knowledge do we hunger for! If not the knowledge of things and power and so on. We just want to be loved,We dont want to love. And that will be our failure.

reply to post by spy66


I don't see how your quote proves that there were be an Antichrist?
As a matter of fact, I don't see how that quote explains anything.

The biggest sin at the end times is idolatry, worship of self... selfishness.