Obama to Bush: I Can Release Your Records. Don't Like It? Sue.

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posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 11:22 AM
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Dramey, we need more people like you around here. There is nothing wrong with ignorant kids coming here. That's the point is it not? However, we need intellectuals like yourself to stick around, so the rest of us will be enlightened.




posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 11:32 AM
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...read alot of disappointing posts here.
It seems that some of you will never accept, nor believe, that anyone that would run for President would value what our fore fathers created. Would recognize how and why we are the best Country in the world. Either that or you expect him to.....no, how about reading what George Washington said in a letter to his nephew about the "Constitution" back in November of 1787.....

"The warmest friends and the best supporters the Constitution has, do not contend that it is free from imperfections; but they found them unavoidable and are sensible, if evil is likely to arise there from, the remedy must come hereafter; for in the present moment, it is not to be obtained...I do not think we are more inspired, have more wisdom, or possess more virtue, than those who will come after us." (George Washington, November 10th, 1787)


Do you understand what he was saying? Some of you obviously don't, or I suppose you could believe that he was just dead wrong. Maybe Martin Luther King or Lincoln were the last to champion the spirit of the Constitution and improve upon though statute what it already meant in spirit. "all men are created equal" for example....not some are 3/5ths equal.
Obama knows what Washington means by "it is not to be obtained"
so if you expect Obama to fix all that "we the people" have let happen to our Constitution over night, well you are going to say, "gee, he is the same as everyone else, all talk." He isn't closing Gitmo as some gesture. We have legal protections such as Habaes Corpus. Everyone should at least be afford that whether here as a citizen or as our prisoner.
Give the guy a chance you partisan Republican Bush lovers....and get real you liberal crazy lets lock up the Bush Administration yesterday....and get real you people that think we can go back 200 years and give back all the power to the States and believe we don't need a federal government.
Be rational and patient and be damn proud that we have a President that respects....understands....and loves this Country more than some of you apparently do. God Bless America!



[edit on 22-1-2009 by Res Ipsa]



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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I'm sure Obama is going to be as castrating to the Bush family's goals as Nancy Pilosi.

See what I did there?



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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Hmm, so when is Obama going to release his own records?

You know, like his full birth certificate
His corrupt chicago politicking
His own past

you know, all the stuff that hes trying to still hide.


sounds all like the typical clintonesque smokescreen



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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my opinion of Obama just went way up
but i see what happons so far he did a good job i hope that brown follows suit in this country but some how i dont thinks so but you have a black man in the white house so theres hope yet for us



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 12:38 PM
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Sounds like a step in the right direction although I'm doubtful anything will actually happen.
I would have felt a whole lot better if Obama would have signed an executive order that does away with executive orders!



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 12:38 PM
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[edit on 22-1-2009 by mecheng]



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 12:39 PM
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I would love to know the truth behind all of the government contracts that were given to Halliburton. I am sure by now they have the fake statements neatly in order for any public scrutiny.

It is possible that the word was already getting around during the inaugural Luncheon as to this news and the reason Senator Byrd and Kennedy had heart troubles and seizures...

This is going to make one hell of a movie one day.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 01:11 PM
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Let's get real: They all come and go. Don't expect a noble, altruistic government that will fight for the weak for nothing in exchange. Why you think you are you able to buy your Old Navy/Abercrombie clothes and Nike shoes so cheaply? Because someone is being exploited independently of your President's affiliation, and/or your vote. If you can say "Get out of Tibet" but cannot say "Get out of Palestine" is because your Freedom has been handicapped. Keep paying your taxes and accept it as it is.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 01:19 PM
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I think it’s great that President Obama is taking this posture? What exactly is the posture though? We all know or at least suspect Bush and company have pretty much gotten away completely with the theft of untold billions and maybe trillions of dollars. We know that during his tenure distressing steps have been made to consolidate a very fascist security state and to marginalize the constitution down to the actual paper it was written on as being more valuable than the document. We also suspect a huge amount of information regarding the 9-11 attacks have never been released and no credible attempt has ever been undertaken through the American Legal & Justice Departments and systems to publicly prosecute anyone in relation to September 11th and to publicly disclose the extent of the real evidence or lack thereof.

So what exactly then is President Obama doing. I don’t hear him making the accusations many of us here on ATS make in regards to the Bush administration’s history in office. I don’t see him demanding disclosure and inquiries, trials and prosecutions.

Is it just more of the, I appear to be different by talking about doing things differently? Is it more of the, well I have to be a better more honest man because I decry dishonesty in others? Who is he trying to disarm? Us or former President Bush, or is he simply heading off independent calls for some manner and form of accountability regarding the Bush administration by making it appear as if it is something legitimately on his agenda while more time and distance is made available in the process to the Bush Machine to quietly continue tying up loose ends?

If there was no Tony Resko or Rahm Emanuel involved, not mentioning a few other choice people and events I would be more optimistic.

The reality is no amount of persecution or prosecution of the former President is in and of itself going to solve the nation’s abundant and overwhelming pressing problems. It might seem a pleasant distraction, but at the end of the day that is all it amounts to, a distraction from the real work that needs to be done.

Time will tell President Obama’s true colors and his ability to spot, discern and define President Bush’s true colors ultimately isn’t going to change or have any bearing on President Obama’s true colors, abilities or effectiveness. Keeping the spotlight on what is wrong with others though is a great way to keep that same glare off of you.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 01:20 PM
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BREAKING NEWS (Moderator pls start a new thread):
Bill introduced in the House of Rep to repeal the 22nd Amendment which limits Presidential Terms. That didnt take long.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 01:21 PM
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BREAKING NEWS (Moderator pls start a new thread):
Bill introduced in the House of Rep to repeal the 22nd Amendment which limits Presidential Terms. That didnt take long.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by Res Ipsa
Give the guy a chance you partisan Republican Bush lovers....and get real you liberal crazy lets lock up the Bush Administration yesterday....and get real you people that think we can go back 200 years and give back all the power to the States and believe we don't need a federal government.
Be rational and patient and be damn proud that we have a President that respects....understands....and loves this Country more than some of you apparently do. God Bless America!



I'm not a liberal crazy because I want the Bush Administration held accountable for crimes, another 9-11 investigation, an end to funding the Israeli/Zionist state, a repeal of the patriot act, ending the war on terror, an end to the drug war.......

and

I'm not unreal for believing in states rights, the 2nd amendment, and end to the federal reserve, non involvement in the UN and not asserting moral authority over other nations........

Sure, I'm not expecting anyone to believe, follow or do these things overnight. Obama has not stood for any of the things that I do, that doesn't mean that I do not love this country or constitution any more than he supposedly does.

I think Ron Paul, Ralph Nader, Denis Kucinich, Bobb Barr, Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia Mckinney, Mike Gravel all love this country in their own way. I would rather have any of these people over Barack Obama, and you see based on those choices that I'm not partisan.

Barack Obama's campaigned promised nothing but empty words, few details or grounded platforms.

His book (he even acknowledges it) offers little in political policy, it's makes few indictments on the global power structure, he tries to find both sides of the argument without focusing on any agenda, and it's totally steeped in evangelical feel good unity in place of analyzing and trying to solve real world divisions.

Having audacious hope is not a rational or patient ideology, it's inspirational/self improvement fluff, that doesn't acclimate a citizen to the issues of our time.

He's surrounded himself with Hillary Clinton, Rahm Emanuel, Joe Biden, Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, basically all people who have served the global elite. Why would I believe this guy would change anything?

I'm surprised, happy and will acknowledge when he does or appears to do something good, but as of now to me he's nothing but a willing propaganda tool and a glorified inspirational speaker; a front man for the New World Order.



[edit on 22-1-2009 by Amelie]



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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I think this is a change for the better.
Although the people of the us do not need to know about everything we should know more!
Amazing how he takes charge on the first day.
Change indeed.
We need to see more of this.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan


BTW - the title of this is completely wrong. No where did Obama say to bush - 'I can release your records. Don't like it? Sue!'

Edited to add - I mean the article title - not the ATS title.

[edit on 1/22/2009 by FlyersFan]


More to the point...Obama isn't talking about releasing "Bush's records" he is speaking about releasing the records of the President of the United States...who works for US, the citizens. They are OUR records...concerning one of OUR employees.

If they don't constitute a security risk and they are not personal or medical but rather work related than those records should be available to us, the employers of the POTUS.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by CoffinFeeder
Hmm, so when is Obama going to release his own records?
....
sounds all like the typical clintonesque smokescreen


See my post above for clarity of "records"



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 02:20 PM
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Obama wont tell the world that 9/11 was an inside job ... he will find out, but he will deal with it ... in his own way .. or not ...



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by jam321
If Obama goes after Bush, he is in for a war with the Republicans in Congress. They will scrutinized his every move and will try to impeach him for the smallest of things. Politics will be at an all time low. I got a feeling a lot of this is just wishful thinking.


I thought there were already a couple of congressmen going after Bush and Cheney.

Why would Obama have to?

I have a feeling that if some of these "records" that Bush claims "executive privilege" on becomes accessible to Congress and/or the public, and are found that they were hiding something criminal, there will be plenty of other people out there that would be happy to "go after him"!



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 04:02 PM
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I'm all for disclosure and tranparency but if he lives by the sword, he'll die by the sword.
I mean will this Exec Priv remain in place after he leaves office?

Seems to me this will only piss off the puppet masters.

Obama, please take a deep breath and think things out.
Be careful lest your new set of wheels gets traded in for a convertible.



posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by Melissa101

I am afraid Obama may be opening Pandora's Box. I respect his intentions but if all of the past presidents records were open to the public, lord have mercy. Our nation would go into a complete convulsion if the average Joe was privy to the goings on in Washington. There are two many top secret issues that in my opinion we probably do not want to know about even if we think we do.



They won't let any "Top Secret" information out, ...

Obama to Bush: I Can Release Your Records. Don't Like It? Sue.


Weismann explains:

[Obama]'s basically saying if there's a dispute, and a former president thinks something should be covered by executive privilege and Obama doesn't agree, then Obama would direct the Archivist to release it [despite the former president's claim of privilege]. The only option a former President would have at that point would be to go to court and sue. [Obama]'s set up a process to review these claims which requires the Attorney General and White House Counsel to agree that these claims should be invoked, which indicates that it won't be either casually invoked or casually defended.



Obama is not going to release every bit of information that every president has invoked "Executive Privilege" over, just the stuff that has nothing to do with our countries national security and the military.





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