Originally posted by OmegaPoint
There is a point at which man is NOT meant to penetrate, at grave peril to his immortal soul.
There is a mystery of God, and a place in man (at the crown chakra) where that mystery and the living Spirit of God which accompanies it, must be
dilineated from the "little I am" of being human, and to cross that line involves an abomination, since what is above is perfect, holy and pure, and
what arises from below, is corruptible.
It is akin to cross the line from "I am a child of God" to "I am God".
Trust me on this - you don't want to go there or try to walk that sacred ground of being, it's best left as it is - an eternal mystery.
Therefore, on approach to the mystery, there is a threshold which we are NOT meant to cross into.
Friends, keep your spiritual scullcap on your head at all times!
Actually, if you think you are the father and not a child of the father, then you are not very enlightened. It means you have seen the father within
yourself, but have failed to realize the father in others.
So what you are describing is actually not a higher state of enlightenment, but a lower one.
To become "the father", would mean "You" as an individual would cease to exist. As the father is the sum of all consciousness/soul, you can not
keep a single individual consciousness/soul and the higher self at the same time. Therefore, if any man claims to be the father, or christ alone -
he is lieing.
This is why you can also not see the entirety of god. Because this existence as the son/daughter is based on a limited perception, and to actually
see the father would cause one to lose your individuality/soul.
Now I know people like to think Jesus said this. But he doesn't. He always makes the distinction between him and the father. However, the father
does speak through him. The words you hear from Jesus most times is not the words of Jesus, they are the words of the father who speaks through him.
And he does this for your benefit, not his own. Because he already knows the truth for himself.
The deepest you can go down the "rabbit hole" and still maintain individuality from my experience is to see only you and the father. The 2 of you.
You can at that point understand why it is 1, but you can not actually take on the perspective of the father and maintain your individuality.
When this happened to me, the first words out of my mouth were - I am god, and I am arguing with myself. Since then I've found the bible, and so
this same thing I would now express in the manner of John 14:20. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
That is what I realized on that day.
So to see the father within yourself and deny and not see in others I would say is not a higher form of enlightment, but a lower form of
It's like true knowledge is not measured based on what you know, but rather on the questions you ask. Because the questions you ask are based not
only on the knowledge you have, but also on the insight to see the next step or beyond that knowledge. To know the father is in you and not in
others is to not have the insight to see it in others. To not realize there is a bigger intelligence and consciousness than your own is not a higher
form of enlightenment.
However, I do see that others have not realized it yet, and that the father doesn't speak in them. But when people speak certain truths, then I
know they have meet the father and that the father is speaking through them. This is how I recognized Jesus as being true when he says the father
speaks through him.
[edit on 22-1-2009 by badmedia]