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Taliban warn Obama: Leave Afghanistan

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posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 05:59 PM
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Nothing says "we are a free country, the largest democracy" like going on a killing tour in countries like:
Vietnam
Greece
Dominican Republic
Guatemala
Laos
China
North Korea
Bolivia
El Salvador
Cambodia
Chile
Uruguay
Cyprus
Angola
Nicaragua
Zambia
Grenada
Lebanon
Lybia
Lebanon
Haiti
Iran
Panama
Bulgaria
Somalia
Zaire
Congo
Quatar
Sudan
Yugoslavia
Nigeria
Afghanistan
Yemen
Philippines
Venezuela
Zimbabwe
Iraq

Bloody hypocrite yank




posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 06:00 PM
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I said 'Ramp Up,' which is a term that means to escalate. I'm not talking about opening a new front, I'm talking about spending money on an existing one;

Afghanistan. I recall seeing it in the paper, hmm, maybe a few times... I can't really read, but the pictures looked 'purty nice.'

We can't afford more expenditures, whether military or civilian.

It would cost MORE money to escalate the war in Afghanistan, which we don't have.

We need to close our bases around the world, bring our troops home, and cut military spending drastically.

I would love for us to crush the Taliban. If it can be done quickly, cheaply, and efficiently I'm all for it, but if the current modus operandi of our military is any indication, it would take a while, and MORE MONEY WHICH WE CANNOT AFFORD.

This isn't really a negotiable subject. We are trillions in debt, and will be bankrupt within 5 years if we don't do something to correct our course.

So you can sit there and be an armchair commander, or look at the real picture. Do you want to be bought out by China, or do something to fix the problem?

[edit on 21-1-2009 by JipStix]



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 06:01 PM
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Afghanistan is the hardest peicesof real estate in the world to hold. No one has ever been able to successfully conquer this country, partiallyd due to the landscape, but mainly due to the people who live there. They are loyal only to their clans, and occaisionally their neighboring tribes.
We supported the Afghans, and supplied them with weapons, and in the end they ran the Russians out of the country.
They ended up with the Taliban, Osama bin Laden, and another war.
We are supposed to be there to find Osama. If we can't find him, then let's get out, come home, and take care of our own country. Let's protect our own borders.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by Skittle
Nothing says "we are a free country, the largest democracy" like going on a killing tour in countries like:
Vietnam
Greece
Dominican Republic
Guatemala
Laos
China
North Korea
Bolivia
El Salvador
Cambodia
Chile
Uruguay
Cyprus
Angola
Nicaragua
Zambia
Grenada
Lebanon
Lybia
Lebanon
Haiti
Iran
Panama
Bulgaria
Somalia
Zaire
Congo
Quatar
Sudan
Yugoslavia
Nigeria
Afghanistan
Yemen
Philippines
Venezuela
Zimbabwe
Iraq


Really? We were just invading these countries and killing people? I don't remember US troops on the ground in Zimbabwe. Or Venezuela. Or Yemen. Sudan? Qatar (Well, I was there, but I was only fighting boredom). Congo? North Korea (lot of countries ripping that place up in the 1950's, not just the US. Read up on it.) Need I go on?



Originally posted by Skittle
Bloody hypocrite yank


Cry me a river.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 06:20 PM
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Correction. Had to repost. Picked the wrong quote...

Sorry...

[edit on 21-1-2009 by Merkel]

[edit on 21-1-2009 by Merkel]



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by JipStix
I said 'Ramp Up,' which is a term that means to escalate. I'm not talking about opening a new front, I'm talking about spending money on an existing one;


Well, after pulling out of Iraq, we'll have plenty of cash for A-stan.



Originally posted by JipStix
We can't afford more expenditures, whether military or civilian.


Let's cut some civilian programs.



Originally posted by JipStix
It would cost MORE money to escalate the war in Afghanistan, which we don't have.


How do you figure? We already have bases in A-stan. It isn't like we are gearing up from scratch.


Originally posted by JipStix
We need to close our bases around the world, bring our troops, and cut military spending drastically.


Why? Sounds like you just want to cut the military simply to get their budget.


Originally posted by JipStix
I would love for us to crush the Taliban. If it can be done quickly, cheaply, and efficiently I'm all for it, but if the current modus operandi of our military is any indication, it would take a while, and MORE MONEY WHICH WE CANNOT AFFORD.


Fighting a war "on the cheap" just fills body bags with your own troops.



Originally posted by JipStix
This isn't really a negotiable subject. We are trillions in debt, and will be bankrupt within 5 years if we don't do something to correct our course.

So you can sit there and be an armchair commander, or look at the real picture. Do you want to be bought out by China, or do something to fix the problem?


Well, if anyone is an "armchair General", it's you. You seem to have all the answers (Pull the troops out! End the war now! We can't afford it!!!).

And you think that Universal Health Care is the answer to it all? You think that's going to be cheap?



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 06:27 PM
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53 trillion....and counting. More spending bills..bailouts...no one seems to get it!


WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY.

It's time to face the facts...we cannot keep funding war...we can't do anything..WE ARE BROKE.


It's either massive cuts in spending or large increases in taxes. This problem isn't going away.

You can argue all u want for justifying war...BUT WE DON"T HAVE THE MONEY!!!!




[edit on 21-1-2009 by David9176]



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 06:28 PM
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Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by Skittle
Nothing says "we are a free country, the largest democracy" like going on a killing tour in countries like:
Vietnam
Greece
Dominican Republic
Guatemala
Laos
China
North Korea
Bolivia
El Salvador
Cambodia
Chile
Uruguay
Cyprus
Angola
Nicaragua
Zambia
Grenada
Lebanon
Lybia
Lebanon
Haiti
Iran
Panama
Bulgaria
Somalia
Zaire
Congo
Quatar
Sudan
Yugoslavia
Nigeria
Afghanistan
Yemen
Philippines
Venezuela
Zimbabwe
Iraq


Really? We were just invading these countries and killing people? I don't remember US troops on the ground in Zimbabwe. Or Venezuela. Or Yemen. Sudan? Qatar (Well, I was there, but I was only fighting boredom). Congo? North Korea (lot of countries ripping that place up in the 1950's, not just the US. Read up on it.) Need I go on?



Originally posted by Skittle
Bloody hypocrite yank


Cry me a river.


Well said on that part.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by David9176
What the heck is this? We need to stay the hell out of everywhere.


Sorry, I had to go do something. Don't hurt yourself!


I don't think we should be at war at all and if I had my way, we'd bring ALL troops home now and let the other countries sort it out. I was just stating Obama's plans and a partial reason that he's not willing to leave Afghanistan. He's very big on women's rights and women are being terribly abused there.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 06:39 PM
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Now Skittle, just because you hate Israelis, and presumably Jews doesn't mean that all the little incidents with those countries are our fault.

Hell, we just go along in life trying to get along with everyone, encouraging others to do well, and then once in a while, somebody starts some $#!T.

Since no one else will do anything about it, numbers of other countries turn to the US, and yell, "DO SOMETHING!"

Granted, we may not always do it right, but you can bet your ass that when we make up our minds to do something drastic, we'll jump in with both feet.

Maybe all Europe should come under the umbrella of a Greater French Union, and then you could take up some of the slack.

Or not.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 06:39 PM
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I understand. I don't like women being treated poorly either but we can't interfere with every country's problems. We have too many of our own anyway.

It's time to bring everyone home to defend and rebuild this country before it falls apart.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 06:40 PM
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Funny, we have the money to bailout every Swinging Richard in the US. Every bank, car company, mortgage company, and porn studio is getting some serious bank from the Fed. People on the street screaming for a handout from the Government.

But when it comes to A-stan, suddenly, the well is dry. Sorry, guys, no cash for you. Gotta cut somewhere, and like a town cutting their police force, the first thing that goes is the military budget.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I don't think we should be at war at all and if I had my way, we'd bring ALL troops home now and let the other countries sort it out. I was just stating Obama's plans and a partial reason that he's not willing to leave Afghanistan. He's very big on women's rights and women are being terribly abused there.


BH, the reason we are in Afghanistan isn't just women's rights. That's just a pleasant side effect. It's not like Bush said, "82nd Airborne, get your butts into A-stand and get them women the vote, mini-skirts and bikinis." Even tho I can picture him saying that.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 06:51 PM
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Funny, we have the money to bailout every Swinging Richard in the US. Every bank, car company, mortgage company, and porn studio is getting some serious bank from the Fed. People on the street screaming for a handout from the Government.


Lol..you think i'm for bailouts?

I've been against all of it since the beginning.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 06:54 PM
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They are all morans, David,

hee hee

Don't you agree.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 07:15 PM
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Who are you calling a moron?



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 07:18 PM
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I believe he was just referring to my avatar mick....not to anyone personally in the thread.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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The Taliban makes it real difficult to do the right thing. I'd be great if we left Afghanistan, but those guys constantly running their traps makes it really hard.

How nice it must be...In their world if you find a good hiding place, grow a long beard and sport a turban, have access to lots of explosives and people who have nothing to live for, you can influence the policy of lawful authorities.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 07:29 PM
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Mother of god... Stop putting words in my mouth.

#1. I do not support universal health care. I never said I supported universal health care. Apparently you didn't read my posts. I said we don't have money to spend on anything new, ESPECIALLY UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.

#2. WE ARE TRILLIONS IN DEBT. OUR COUNTRY WILL BE BANKRUPT IF WE DON'T CUT THE MILITARY AND CIVILIAN BUDGET. No new programs, no new military campaigns, no ESCALATIONS of existing military campaigns.

#3. I do not support bailouts IN ANY FORM. LET THE DAMN COMPANIES FAIL FOR MAKING POOR BUSINESS DECISIONS.

#4. THIS IS REALITY. If the USA does not drastically reduce its debt, our country will implode, split into regions, and be subjugated by our debtors. We don't have a damn choice! We could fight them if they threatened military invasion, but that would likely start WWIII. You can't even argue that we should begin new programs or continue wars like the one in Afghanistan BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO SO.

Also, the reason it would cost more money to fund the war in Afghanistan is because we would be dropping million dollar bombs, missiles, expending enormous amounts of fuel, buying new equipment for our troops, etc...

Just because we have bases in an area of operations doesn't mean costs disappear. It costs money to operate a military, it costs money to bribe warlords, it costs money to operate intelligence services, it costs money to BORROW MONEY from other countries and the Federal Reserve to fund these operations. The more we spend, the harder it will be for the country to crawl out of the hole it's in.

So don't sit there and tell me it's necessary for us to escalate fighting in Afghanistan. It's not necessary, and more importantly, WE CANNOT AFFORD IT, PERIOD!

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posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 07:30 PM
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I truly think it is horrible for any country or people to suffer the way many in the Middle East have in these many decades of fighting this current generation has been witness to. There is also the peoples' of many other countries that are starving or suffering genocide at the hands of horrible people/leaders. It is a worldwide problem that really does require a worldwide solution.

BUT we as American citizens need to face the truth of the matter and closely examine the facts and nature of this current set of affairs. First and foremost we are BROKE ! We have spent many years helping and defending everyone who needed help at our own decision or the decision of the United Nations Council. We have repeatedly been injected into every problem there is and handed out money hand over fist for decades and it HAS caught up with us.

Secondly we have spent the last 3 decades engaged in wars and humanitarian missions. I am not saying we should have never done it or shouldn't help now. I am saying we are at the END of being able to solve everyone else s problems and must truly solve our own here at home. Our systems are in tatters and our people are suffering just as bad if not worse than most of the people we send billions a day too. We have had a very good standard of living these past decades. It has allowed us to willingly help those less fortunate than ourselves. BUT the time has come for all of us as a nation of like minded people to focus on our homeland and not on the homeland of someone else.

There is more than one super power on this planet and the USA always being at the lead isn't something we need to continue at this time. I really hope our new President Mr. Obama can see this. I know that there are people all over suffering and I can understand many peoples reasons for wanting to stop the Taliban and the nearly 100 other groups that are out there. But enough is enough our homes and way of life are in danger of being totally left in ruin. Our children s futures are at a cross roads and what we decide today and tomorrow will determine if they live in a 3rd world country or the wonderful nation we all grew up in.

We had the opportunity's to become what we wanted and live as we saw fit. IF we don't stop and focus on ourselves for just a bit, none of this is going to be there for our children ever again.Don't fool yourself into thinking this isn't going to happen. We are already seeing the first phases of the downfall. If you think this is bad you have no idea what our government and the others of the world are prepared for.

It is time for another super power to take the reigns of this war on terror for a bit and allow our country the time we need to get our affairs in order so that we can again at a later date rejoin the fight to protect our world. There is NO way around it, if we don't focus on home and get our systems straight WE are going to be the ones needing another super power to come in and police us when people get desperate and wars break out here at home.

Many of you may think this is a selfish act to even consider. But I ask you this...what are YOU going to be doing when a group of people is going from door to door killing and stealing to feed themselves? Continue to live in the dream and you are going to be one of the many laying on their backs dying wondering what happened. What happened to our country, what happened to make our people do this, what is life for our children going to be like. All because we couldn't step back and see the whole picture.

These wars and horrific events have been going on for decades. Our stepping out for a bit to set our own country straight isn't going to make any difference. The wars and horrific events will still be there whether or not we are standing there to see it. That my friends is the truth and if you can't accept it you need to find a rock to hide under till you pass because if we don't see this and soon all hope of saving our great nation is lost.

[edit on 21-1-2009 by xoxo stacie]



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