26-strory bldg engulfed in flames - no collapse, page 2
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reply posted on 21-1-2009 @ 09:31 PM by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Griff



What data do you have to help recreate the conditions that day? Were there temperature sensors inside the damaged areas? Stop motion cameras transmitting interior pictures as the collapses began? Vibration sensors maybe? Do we have an accurate detailed description of which beams were compromised from the impact and which ones were only exposed to the fire? And of those, do we know which ones still had their full fireproofing and which ones did not?

For an accurate recreation, you would need all of the above information (and more) and we do not have it...we will NEVER have it.


reply posted on 21-1-2009 @ 09:34 PM by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Griff



And amazingly enough, I could post the words of the men who actually did go through the steel looking for clues who said different. Do not mistake political grandstanding for science.



reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 03:21 AM by Stillresearchn911
Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
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post by corvin77




No, WTC 7 had WTC1 carve a chunk out of it.



You know I keep hearing this but I have searched and not been able to find ANY pictures of the damage to this building. Is it possible you can provide links , of course I don't need any to the two nist photos.


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 03:36 AM by defcon5
reply to post by k-string



No, the collapse occurred because of major weakening at one point on the building, which allowed the weight of the floors above it to come smashing down on the floor below all at once. Thus causing a chain reaction as each floor was hit by the weight of all the floors above it. Buildings are designed to hold the weight of upper floors, but not to have that weight suddenly dropped on it from above.

Also it’s a truth movement untruth, that there have not been truss structure collapses due to fire. Simply do a search on google and you should find a number of them.


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 03:48 AM by defcon5
reply to post by k-string



How many sky scrapers have ever been subjected to that (A) level of physical damage and (B) that intense of fire which was inaccessible to the fire department? When you find one, let me know cause then you might have a match.


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 04:04 AM by defcon5
reply to post by k-string



You name a building that has been hit by a wide-body aircraft and is still intact? There was a hotel in some country that was once hit by a wide-body, and the whole center section of that building was taken straight to the ground. The only other buildings I have ever seen hit by aircraft are small aircraft. There is a major difference between a wide-body aircraft, a narrow-body aircraft, and a private aircraft, which is why we classify them in such a way. There is also a difference in the way that the World Trade Center was built and other shorter buildings. Because of its height the World Trade Center was actually weaker overall then many other shorter buildings that have to hold less stress. The fire was only one aspect of the damage that occurred to the WTC, there was also extensive physical damage.



reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 04:13 AM by mortje
reply to post by defcon5



The weight of the floors above couldn't just compress the steel columns.
Where are the steel columns? They just disintegrated because of gravity and a few tons of steel and concrete? Science fiction comes to my mind.

Please elaborate on where the steel columns went.


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 04:19 AM by defcon5
reply to post by mortje



If you hit a steel column with a couple hundred tons of aircraft grade aluminum traveling at close to 500knts, do you honestly think its going to stay in one piece or sever in half?


reply posted on 22-1-2009 @ 04:59 AM by mortje
reply to post by defcon5



Exactly, not one piece!

So where are the huge pieces of metal. Or do you think they fall into tiny little metal particles? Lets assume they were weak enough to fall apart, you would have huge pieces of bended steel columns everywhere.

The fire department however stated that basically everything turned to dust. With big pools of molten metal at the bottom. Something melted that metal, it wasn't the kerosene, nor gravity of floors or plane. Please explain how it is scientifically possible to have those beams 'melted' or disappear.
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