ISRAEL-PALESTINE : the raw facts, page 1


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Topic started on 21-1-2009 @ 11:54 AM by orkson
ABRAHAM had no son ...
But being the tribe chief, he needed one because otherwise no successor could be elected. The tribal leadership was inherited by blood line. In this case it was legitimate that the tribe chief had a non-matrimonial son with another woman. After his father’s death, this son would inherit all his rights and duties – like the legal “first son” would have done normally.

So Abraham had a son with Hagar, his egyptian servant, and his name was Ismael.

14 years after Ismael was born, Sara, Abraham’s legal wife, 90 years old, got pregnant and Abraham got his son Isaac.

Ismael and Hagar where sent into the desert and “if God would not have saved them personally, they would have died from thirst”.

Isaac is the ancestor of the Jews.

Ismael, his half-brother, is the ancestor of the Arabs.

Nowadays, like on the days of Abraham, the sons and the daughters of Ismael were told by the sons and the daughters of Isaac : “This is no more your land and your houses.Leave them for they are mine. And go to the desert.”

"472 Palestinian habitations (including towns and villages) were destroyed in 1948. The devastation was virtually complete in some sub-districts. For example, 96.0% of the villages in the Jaffa area were totally destroyed, as were 90.0% of those in Tiberiade, 90.3% of those in Safad, and 95.9% of those in Beisan. It may be extrapolated from the 1931 British census data that over 70 280 Palestinian houses were destroyed in this period"

[en.wikipedia.org...]

"By June, 1951 the UNWRA estimated the number of registered refugees to 876,000 ... Today that number has grown to over 4 million, one third of whom live in the West Bank and Gaza; slightly less than one third in Jordan; 17% in Syria and Lebanon and around 15% in other Arab and Western countries. Approximately 1 million refugees have no form of identification other than an UNRWA identification card."

“The Absentees’ Property Laws were several laws, first introduced as emergency ordinances issued by the Jewish leadership but which after the war were incorporated into the laws of Israel”
“They focused on formulating a ‘legal’ definition for the people (mostly Arabs) who had left or been forced to flee from these lands”
“In 1954, more than one third of Israel's Jewish population lived on absentee property and nearly a third of the new immigrants (250,000 people) settled in urban areas abandoned by Arabs. Of 370 new Jewish settlements established between 1948 and 1953, 350 were on absentee property”

TO DAY IN GAZA ...

Almost complete destruction, houses, schools, hospitals, administrative buildings, UN relief buildings, crops, everything is completely of half destroyed.
Illness and starvation are looming. The wounded are dying "en masse".

These are the raw facts.

Now, please, don't tell us that the Palestinians, or the Hamas, or the Hezbollah, or any person but the israelis, are the "terrorists".

You know who they are.


reply posted on 21-1-2009 @ 01:14 PM by orkson
OK you think that facts aren't enough told :

en.wikipedia.org...

Bus bombings in Haifa and Ramla December 12, 1947 Jewish militias 20 Arabs, 5 Jews and 2 British soldiers killed and 30 wounded [1]al-Tira December 12, 1947 Irgun 13 Beit Nabala December 14, 1947 Arab Legion 14 al-Khisas December 18, 1947 Haganah 10 Bomb thrown on Damascus Gate café in Jerusalem December 29, 1947 Irgun 15 Haifa Oil Refinery December 30, 1947 Irgun, then Arab workers, then Palmach 39 Balad al-Shaykh January 1, 1948 Haganah 17+ Jaffa Bombing January 4 1948 Jewish militias, most likely Irgun 26 killed, hundreds wounded [3] Semiramis Hotel bombing 5 January 1948 Haganah 20 killed [4] Jaffa Gate bombing in Jerusalem 7 January 1948 Irgun 15-20 killed [5] Sa'sa' village ambush in the Safad district February 14, 1948 Palmach 11 [6] Ben Yehuda Street Bombing February 11, 1948 Arab (with British deserters) 58 Jewish Agency Bombing March 11, 1948 Arab irregulars 13 killed, 84 wounded [7] al-Husayniyya March 13, 1948 Palmach 30 Cairo-Haifa train March 31, 1948 Unclear:Lehi/Haganah (and disputed) 40 Deir Yassin April 9, 1948 Irgun, Lehi 100-120 [8][9][10] Qalunya April 12, 1948 Haganah 14 Hadassah medical convoy April 13, 1948 Arab 78[11] Ein al Zeitun May 3, 1948 Palmach 37-70 Kfar Etzion May 13, 1948 Arabs 50-160 Abu Shusha May 14, 1948 Israeli 60-70 al-Tantura May 22-23, 1948 disputed disputed Lydda-Ramleh 11-12 July 1948 Israeli dozens[12] [13] Suqrir 29 August 1948 Givati Brigade of the IDF 10 [14] al-Dawayima October 29, 1948 Haganah 80-100 Safsaf October 29, 1948 Israeli 50-70 Saliha October 30, 1948 Haganah 60-80 Eilabun October 30, 1948 Israeli 13 killed [15] Majd al-Krum October 30, 1948 Israeli 12 killed [16] Hula October 1948 Israeli 35-58 Arab al-Mawasi November 2, 1948 Israeli 14

Please, be factual. Don't escape reality.

I don't think you may call Irgun Hagganah, Palmach as ... kind folks :
Palestinian were in the best case, asked to # off ... That the fact.



reply posted on 21-1-2009 @ 02:08 PM by kozmo
Orkson... My deepest apologies but you will get nowhere with your thread. I posted a few eeks back, a thread on Understanding the Israeli and Palestinian Conflict; The Roots of Zionism only to be met with scorn, ridicule and unending propaganda.

The problem with attempting to dig deep into the strife that Zionism has caused the human race is that Zionist propaganda will instantly get in the way. You see, our media, our education system, even our government have been hijacked by the Zionist in order to help them further their agenda. They use the generous, trusting nature of Americans to persuade us to employ our military, our technology and our political clout against THEIR enemies. All the while they use the ADL and countless other NGOs to influence what is taught to our children and how it is taught, what is discussed in our media and how it is presented to portray the inhabitants of Israel as the "victims."

The key to righting the wrongs that the Zionist have perpetrated upon mankind require a real understanding of history - a history that they have erased, rewritten and positioned to favor their overall agenda. Knowing that truth simply intereferes with the accomplishment of their goals - Eretz-Ysrael. The creation of the Jewish state of Israel is only one portion of the goal. The establishment of Israel as the spiritual center of Judaism is the ultimate goal. This can only be accomplished through the elimination of the Palestinians and total control of Jerusalem where they will build their Temple on the Mound. They are intent on accomplishing this goal regardless of the costs to mankind and will do so through any and all means necessary.

To this end they invest massively in making sure that they control the information consumed by the masses, to shape and mould how they are perceived. As you can see from the reponses already they have achieved this to a certain extent. What they have not counted on are people like me; scholars of historical fact intent on spreading the truth.


reply posted on 21-1-2009 @ 02:17 PM by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by orkson


Ok, do you understand that even in your list there are terror attacks by Arabs and Jews? Together?
By the way,it is nice that you start from 1947. How about 1920s? Ever heard about
en.wikipedia.org...
that kind of started the blood flowing in the conflict? Etsel/Hagana were not there yet.


reply posted on 21-1-2009 @ 03:04 PM by orkson
Ok.
The aftermath of these massacres was :
"Altogether 195 Arabs and 34 Jews were sentenced by the courts for crimes related to the 1929 riots. Death sentences were handed down to 17 Arabs and 2 Jews, but these were later commuted to long prison terms except in the case of 3 Arabs who were hanged. Large fines were imposed on about 25 Arab villages or urban neighborhoods. Some financial compensation was paid to persons who lost family members or property.

Some Hebron Arabs, amongst whom the President of Hebron's Chamber of Commerce, Ahmad Rashid al-Hirbawi, favoured the return of Jews to the town.[11] 160 Jews did return in the spring of 1931 with Rabbi Chaim Bagaio, but were evacuated, except for one family, again during the 1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine.[12] The last family left in 1947.

As of 2008, hundreds of Jews live in Hebron again."

In this terrible history, the guilty were condemned.

One will wait a long time before the culpits of all the further massacres are trialed and condemned...

How much should pay Israel for 1,500+ bombed in GAZA, the white phosporus, the DIME shells, the 400+ children killed, the endless blocade of 1.500.000 men, women and children ?

The FACT is : those men and women and children, ounce, had a land. They had their house and their crops, and their trees on this land.
Nothing is left. And if ever they protest, they are bombed as "terrorists".

The least we can do, is to recall what was their history.
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