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Zecharia Sitchin..."he's just another one making a living selling books that treat folks to a tale

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posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 05:14 PM
reply to post by WISHADOW

The saddest thing is that there are serious researchers who spend their lives studying and writing about the ancient Sumerians. Only a handful of people studying Middle East ancient history are even aware of their works.

Must be frustrating for them when a self-proclaimed expert does a series of fantasy pseudo-history books that taps into the UFO market and becomes the best known person in the field.

I don't think anyone can comment on Sitchin's legitimacy or credibility until they've read other works in the field.

Sorry folks, I've studied this stuff. Sitchin is a clown.

posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 05:19 PM

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Really people, how on earth can you believe a man that claims he is the only one that can correctly translate ancient Sumerian tablets, with no formal education in ancient history. If his translastions were correct, then that mean all the other ligitimate, ancient biblical scholars in the world are incorrect, or misread the same tablets. Now in my opinion, thats apretty enormous call.

So Sitchins claim to fame, is apparently that "gods" from another planet, Nibiru, came to Earth 450,000 years ago, and created humans through the gentic engineering of female apes. He also claims the planet Nibiru, sits outside Pluto and orbits the sun every 3600 years. Because Nibiru sits so far out from the sun, its only source of heat comes from within, by the decay of radioactive materials. He also claims that human descendants of these "gods" killed themselves off 4000 years ago, with nuclear weapons, despite the fact that there is no evidence to sunstantiate this outrageous theory.

Sitchin alone can look at a Sumerian tablet and see that it depicts a man being subjected to radiation. He alone knows how to correctly translate ancient terms allowing him to discover such things as that the ancients made rockets (ibid., p. 46).* Yet, he doesn't seem to know that the seasons are caused by the earth's tilt, not by its distance from the sun.

Thats pretty good for someone who is apparently an educated man.

According to a real sumerian ancient text scholar,

"[Sitchin] demonstrates a consistent lack of appreciation of even some of the most basic fundamentals of Sumerian and Akkadian grammar, even to the extent of regularly failing to distinguish between the two entirely different languages, and mixing words from each in interpreting the syllables of longer compound words." This mixing of languages allows Sitchin to make amazing "discoveries."

Due to his arrogance, and claims of being the only one able to translate the tablets, he is shunned by other ancient scholars and stands alone with his belief about Nibiru (apart from the conspiracy theory community, and his followers)

So despite all this information discrediting Sitchin, why do people still believe in it?

And whats this about Nibiru only being visible from the Southern pole. Anyone, that knows basic astronomy knows that if something is visible at the southern most point of the globe, then it is visible from the entire southern hemisphere. Considering that none of the observatories and private astronomers have found anything to idicate an enormous planet (or star in some cases) is hurtling towards us, then still why is this considered a plausible theory? Also, some Nibiru'ers claim that it is hiding behind the sun, which is why we cant see it, again, this is impossible.

Another point to consider is the failed appearance of it in 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, and late 2008. If a prophecy fails to come true on more than one occasion, why continue to believe it?

So I dont understand why people are getting all worked up about it, there's no evidence, people are taking the word of an economist (Sitchin was an economist of all things), and worse of all negelecting all the evidence that points towards the Nibiru theory being unplausible.

Thoughts on this?

Just to add, the first link is from a real ancient text scholar, he has tax returns to prove it

admin edit: removed "not nice name" from title. No reason to sling names regardless of one's opinion of the person.

[edit on 1-21-2009 by Springer]

So the fact that he IS one of the few people left on Earth who can read and translate these dead languages makes him a loon, huh. Well, have you considered that he has admittedly laid out possible translations and that he does not relay them as the definitive translations ever occurred to you, or did you skip through those parts of his writing, if you read them at all??

In the bible God asks Job where was he when He laid out the foundations of the Earth. The Hebrew word used was "chugh" which means sphere", so, how did they decide Earth should be used? It really asks Job where was he when God laid the foundations of the Sphere. Now, why would those who, at that time, declared the Earth was flat and burned, excommunicated, exiled, and ridiculed anyone who said otherwise, get the notion that the Sphere was a direct implication of the Earth. How about noah's Ark, or the Ark of the covenant, which the word's used are derivatives of the root "sod" which means "box", therefore, implying these were boxes. OK I'll give you that, but, it is actually not talking about a box. The idea conveyed by this word references "box" due to another use of it's analogy, as the idea that the word represents is defined as "box, revealed, secret, hidden". And on and on through ancient manuscripts and their bias politico- religious translations. Zechariah must be a fool to believe something other than what is proposed as the translation must be the translation. He is arrogant to use all possible interpretations and the contexts to arrive at his alternative translations, because, it is arrogance to believe that the translator is traitor, and that the other translators had no reason to mis translate, on purpose or otherwise. Read before you bleed the war- cry of other's denouncing what they are to narrow minded to accept or understand as alternative renderings. And worse still are those who jump on bandwagons without looking beyond the world as they believe it to be to see there is more out there than just their own limited views.

posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Essan
I still think the best bit is where the aliens spend hundreds of thousands of years digging for gold with stone tool and antler picks, then decide to genetically enhance the local apes - and get them to do the job for them using the selfsame tools.....

I mean: advanced genetics but can't even invent metal tools?

And as for having to build a pyramid as a signpost because they don;t know how to read maps or use a compass ....

Edit: oh, and the bit where the aliens live 3,600 years longer than humans because although they look like humans and are biologically the same as humans, they evolved on a planet that takes 3,600 years to orbit the sun .....

Still, if anyone want to live to be 300 just move to Mars

[edit on 21-1-2009 by Essan]

Where is all the gold that's been reported through the ages???

How hard is genetics really when you remove the $10, 000 words? An 8 year old in Chicago during the 80's developed a fully functioning embryo with second rate equipment in his closet from information he gort off the Net. his parents found it and turned him in-- funny how it's always those closest to you and due in no part to some SuperCop's investigative skills or resources-- before he actually went through with impregnating a fellow school girl he had paid to carry it for his research purposes. There's not much technological genius really needed for genetics and cross breeding. Don't buy the hype.

And as for building signposts, don't you mean landmarks? We can read maps, use compasses, gyroscopes, satellite Navigation, and all of that, but, even our mighty NAVY must still rely upon manmade and natural landmarks, to obtain navigation, ranging, and bearing information to successfully navigate the waters, our mighty Air Force does the same to navigate the Air, our mighty Army and Marines do the same to navigate land terrain, our mighty Astronaughts do it to navigate terrestrial and Non Terrestrial Flight, Orbits, Take offs and Landings. It plays into their pre- journey and on- journey, and post- journey plans and assessments. Show me one Target Motion Analysis and Survey report that do not use landmarks in their calculations, plans, and assessments.
Why wouldn't aliens- terrestrial or non- need landmarks, too?

As to prolonged ages, why does one species live longer than another, can mass in proportion to gravity (from say like, the Sun) really be ruled out. I'd love to see your research.
Naivity abounds.

[edit on 22-1-2009 by PhyberDragon]

posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 05:28 PM
Sitchin's work, though not widely accepted, does provide a more believable scenario about human origin than the Bible ever will. All I know is at least we can challenge aspects of his work because he's still around to back up his claims. That's more than I can say for the Bible, whose overall message is valuable, but its stories have serious holes causing them to appear as myths.

posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 05:55 PM

Originally posted by PoisonousPoison

how on earth can you believe a man that claims he is the only one that can correctly translate ancient Sumerian tablets, with no formal education in ancient history.

The red light flag in most people's minds should go up when something like that is taken into context about the person who's giving out information on the "Ancients." I suppose fame is just as high on the priori of people as greed [money itself] so he wanted to cash in on this idea, and being that 2012 was a ways away it would be perfect. Not only that, he could change the date on a Whim a few times when it didn't show up due to unforeseeable circumstances or something within' the universe

And so those who claim that they are correct and that he is not are to be believed, because they outnumber him and have through their mystical "formal education" have some sort of entitlement to knowledge approved by other self proclaimed experts on down through the years. Why???

Who made the first formally educated scholar? What that first scholar the right to approve the scholars they taught?? Why are there so many conflicting scholars if they are such experts? Why do they base so much knowledge on the works done by non scholars, if they are not scholared enough to know what they are talking about or doing in their trades or activities. Scholars are ignorant.
I have a score of top 98% on my GED. I have a 3.8 HS GPA, having returned to HS and recieving my diploma with a Major in American History (scoring 98% on it also). I score no less than 98% on every test I take. My ASVAB score is a 29- 32 composite Top 98% Natn'l Avg. I scored a 138 IQ score on my Psych Assessment at 8 yrs. old. 107 on a recent one which I really wasn't into taking and it showed, I score 98% by ommission or wrongly answering (with the correct answer- unscorable- to the side) because, I can. Most people who are able to ace these tests like me, go out of their way to do so, others struggle just to score close enough, I do it on purpose.

So, I need no proof that I'm no dummy. Experts are predominately ambitious power driven egocentrical bias supporters of their benefactors, and they are always trying to out braniac each other to death, with knowledge being whored out and prostituted by these derelicts.

I'd prefer to realize that knowledge applies to everyone and predictions are subject to interpretation and are rarely applied to everyone and so lose their merit. Just because the date passes doesn't mean that a quite real event cannot take place, if we consider the human nature aspects of these prophecies and conditions unfolding within each of us, leading to a private event within ourselves, or a very public one being produced publically by believers and non believers, wittingly or unwittingly, giving reality to the prophecy or prediction within their selves and bringing the fruits of those seeds to bear on their external as well as internal worlds. Beware the true power of Prophecies, Oracles, and Predictions.
And you naively scoff them?

posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 05:57 PM
I could answer these posts all day, but, I'm on slow dial up and I gotta eat. Thanks for the opinions. Always make for a nice read.

posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Essan

Originally posted by WatchNLearn
WOW, which book(s) was all that in? Gee, I haven't managed to read any of those claims yet even though I have read about 8 of his books!

Please tell me the Title and page numbers would also be great.

You mean I've got to back and read through them all again to find the relevant references - how cruel are you?

Obviously none of it is specifically stated - but he does offer evidence of ancient mining in Africa carried out using stone tools as antlers and proof that his aliens operated mines there; he often states that the Giza pyramids were built for aircraft navigational purposes; and the longevity of his aliens because they live on a planet with a long orbit is also implicit more than once.

Oh, and I forgot the bit about the Antarctic ice sheet falling into the sea and causing a flood that buried all the aliens cities under hundreds of feet of silt ...... you know, the ice sheet from which we've extracted 900,000 years worth of ice cores ......

[edit on 21-1-2009 by Essan]

If you can't skim and locate, what type of honest research are you implying has gone into your claim. Back from dinner, BTW. It is only obvious to readers of his work that you are paraphrasing, non readers would have no base of discernation on that point, would they? Actually, he uses these historic stone tools and antlers to support his claim that ancient mining in the region did take place. What's more it was the texts as he interpreted them that he was justifying, which he read. As to the disagreement by the other experts. What makes their interpretations any more noble. They didn't say he was wrong in the translation, just the interpretation. Even the Bible mentions Raph'im and nephalim, the heroes and legends of old. Even the Indian Mahabaratu speaks of lights that burns, polished sheilds to reflect them, divine weapons being dropped from flying craft, one causing a giant cloud, burning all in it's path, and making people disappear, and the poising afteraffects which even affect following generations. Sounds like lasers and Nukes to me. The bible speaks of the destruction of Soddom and Gommorah, with even Lots wife turning to a pillar of salt. The whole event sounds like a nuke attack and the fallout to me, especially, since the KJV even footnotes that salt from the word used even also meant vapor. Huh, Vaporized, divine bombs causing people to disappear, and as for the Indian version, the city has been not only unearthed, but the skeletons found, some still holding hands as though instantly vaporized, were found to have as much if not more radioactive readings throughout the site and the skeletons themselves as those found at the site of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But, Sitchen's idea of nothing new under the sun, and the ancient's use of radioactive weapons, making Oppenheimer look like a liar or a man stepping on the backs of genious before him, just confirms my suspicions, while, you believe it can't happen because you accept dogma and the dogma of science as it's shoved down your throat?

And as to the Antarctic theory, consider the old 1500's viking map showing much of the known world as we know it to be with an Island like Continent in the equatorial zone which obviously doesn't exist. You'll notice you don't see alaska on those old maps. If you let the orange peel like crust of the Earth to shift due to pole shifting from the last mayan Cyclic shift, you'd see that that island would not only be were Alaska is, but, the shift corrects the deficincies of that map with the location of the known continents depicted. What's more javing been on NAVY covert Icepicking op's designed to covertly make these ice sheets fall, unanchoring the iceland mass, encouraging a shift by increasing the weight on the East leaning ice mass buildup of Alaska, claiming to be relieving stress, despite only releasing the Wester ice anchorage, while doing nothing for the immense Eastern build up, but, thermal readings of the landmass beneath the ice, conforms with the image presented by the vikings.
So, who's disillusioned by who? You tout the ice cores, but, whose touting the land cores from beneath all that ice?

Plato's Atlantis? All cultures wrote about it, but, maybe their translators are trators too. Don't listen to one, hold them all at a grain of salt (or vapor)

[edit on 22-1-2009 by PhyberDragon]

posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 08:42 PM

Originally posted by jaman
reply to post by MacroVisio
g the gold was used on their planet as i recall to be put into the atmosphere to shield the planet from the suns harmful rays and to impress jus kidden about the ladies thing but its ironic we now use it to tint windows on spaceshuttles for same reason

I think you missed the point. I already know the answer. The link after the question seems to show that modern research has found gold to have properties that fit with the ancient annunaki claims. Sort of raised my eyebrows a bit thats all.

posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 10:03 PM

Originally posted by PhyberDragon
So the fact that he IS one of the few people left on Earth who can read and translate these dead languages makes him a loon, huh.

Actually, anyone and everyone has the means to translate Sumerian these days.

But it is not the fact he can supposedly translate Sumerian (though his talents in that area are questionable) that we take issue with. It is how he interprets the stories that we take issue with.

posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 10:14 PM
Let's see. A guy who studied econmics went on to study Sumerian writings; He did not adhere to the ideas passed down by the "scholars" who regurgitated what they had learned from other adherents to the ongoing understanding. He went outside the box, unlike all the other "scholars" and hs is shamed. While I don't beleive what all Sitchens has put forth in his book, can going against the grain not be a good thing? The scholars just put forth the previous ideas and are considered intelligent and thoughtful, one who goes against the grain is a fraud. Sorry, Columbus went against the grain and, duh, we learned that the earth was not a flat disk.

posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 10:54 PM
reply to post by OzWeatherman

so the ole man is wrong, he doesnt have the credentials, no backing from the academe,but where were they until sitchin came up with his "wrong theories"? 18 years ago i came across his 1st book the 12th planet yet up to now there is no real alternative to it. Velliovsky's theory of a comet hitting a planet was contested by sagan himself but the shoemakers proved it could happen and it happened.we need all the ideas that might help us save ourselves and sitchins ideas is just what we might be looking for. no need to be hostile to a man just trying to sell nuts. nuts are nutritious for our mind and body.

posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 11:36 PM
reply to post by OzWeatherman

so sitchins books are just tall backing from the academes, no ph d certs and all that trappings. well i came across his 1st book the 12th planet more than 2 decades ago and up till now i did not come across of any tall tale that might have offered a more refreshing look at our existence. I did remember carl sagan belittling vellikoskys tale of a comet hitting a planet, could be our planet, but the shoemakers proved it could happen and it happened.sitchins theories/tales are just like echoes of what we all really want to know and he was able to get our minds to really come out of the box. in times where we really need to know where and what's the status of our existence,sitchins books are really a must read.the earth chronicles? they are mind openers.for good or whatever lets give us the ole man credit he deserve.after all devoting a lifetime of research only to be ridiculed at the end is unfair. and what if he is right all along? whose to say?

posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 11:53 PM
Niburu did fly by in 03

posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 04:09 AM

Originally posted by enkira
reply to post by OzWeatherman

so sitchins books are just tall backing from the academes, no ph d certs and all that trappings.

I undestand that you back Sitchin. I just want to respond to that statement. He has no backing from the "academes" because of what he's proposing. Just like Egyptologists will lose their jobs and credibility if they even try to think along the lines that the pyramids were not built by a regular (slave or otherwise) workforce approx 4000 years ago, "academes" won't back Sitchin because of his fantastical claims. They are taught to believe in a world that was not visited by aliens and that Atlantis is a myth.

I don't really support him (even though I do believe in ancient astronauts) because like Von Daniken, he started with something good then embellished a bit to keep the money flowing in.

posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 04:14 AM

Originally posted by SaviorComplex on page 7:
"What you are telling us is that you do not believe you should answer questions regarding the claims you have made. Thus far, you have avoided answering my questions ..."

1. I repeat that some of your posts do distract from the thread’s main issues and/or imply unsubstantial questions.

Secondly some of your posts just blatantly negate clear facts. For instance the fifth post on page 7: “…nowhere has anyone produced the evidence you claim they have”. This is flatly ridiculous. In this whole thread we can see about 10 examples of great evidence supporting Sitchin, by numerous posters, many well explained. Now, if all these arguments and explanations (just a few examples: 'Xcalibur254' on several pages, 'Boogley' on page 6, 'Anonymous' (link of 3rd post on page 6), 'Anonymous' (16th post on page 6), 'enir nabu' on page 7, 'TheRealDonPedros' on page 7, '' on page 7, 'PhyberDragon's several extensiv posts on page 8 (posts later on, but I mention them anyway as further examples)) are just a “nowhere has anyone.....” for you, then simply no reasonable discussion can be led with you insofar. A discussion can only reasonably proceed if good arguments are acknowledged, but not, I repeat, based on posts that deny everything.

2. I did NOT personally “attack” or “insult” you, which is the case when someone uses terms like “idiot”, “f%%k”, crap, “BS”, or like, which I clearly did not. I only criticized single posts of yours in a polite and substantiated manner, not your person. If you’re too touchy to stand this mild criticism, go on whining.

3. Now of course your stance is I am terribly wrong and all I wrote about some of your posts are just evil "attacks" and "insults" (this angle btw suits the said posts of yours). Ok. Great. Express yourself. Better off now?

4. As both sides obviously only keep on repeating their viewpoints, it is simply a waste of (at least my) time to endlessly continue this ‘debate’. And I also don’t WANT to lose any more time answering posts that imply distracting questions and/or deny anything, even the best arguments. So I will end this internal 'debate' with you (you may have the last word; as I said, express yourself) and will not answer anymore all of such posts of yours in this thread. Got that? Have a great day.

[edit on 23-1-2009 by CoolBlackHole]

posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 05:43 AM

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
What I find amazing is that people accepting other interpretations of these events as long as it is associated with a religion. Sitchin, one day will be recognised as one of our greatest scholars!

Yes. He is. And he is bringing a lot of light to some hidden subjects, like the secret genetic manipulation of humankind.


[edit on 23-1-2009 by CoolBlackHole]

posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 06:34 AM
bullcrap pure bullcrap!

posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 07:22 AM

Originally posted by Annee on page 7:

Originally posted by enir nabu
again i say, the stuff Sitchin translates the Sumerian tablets to say make more sense to me as to where we come from, than the fables that the bible and all of those other religious books say.
when you couple a lot of what the Sumerians apparently depicted and wrote with a lot of other writings from people like David Icke, William Cooper, James Redfield, Daniken, etc.,...things that take place today all seem to make more sense. symbolism, esoteric knowledge, technology we have, missing link, etc.,
just have to use your 3rd eye sometimes.

"Can I just steal this and make it my own?

Exactly! Some people just have a "knowing" a 3rd eye connection - that sees beyond black and white.
Can I explain it? NO - but having had "experiences" myself - I know they are also not black and white - and must be interpreted. That is why I say "I believe ME and my own insight"...."

It’s amazing how one can start connecting more and more dots when reading certain authors. And let me again clarify that this refers to the main points of these authors, not to each and every tiny detail they wrote. Every scholar/author makes some small mistakes. And of course “sceptics” can then stick at some picked out trifles and allege an author was “wrong”. But that’s inept. The question is, are the main insights of authors correct or not. And indeed that's what they really seem to be in a high degree with Sitchin. Let’s for instance take the Nibiru issue. As to that Sitchin’s important testimonies are not Nibiru’s exact dates, coordinates, or like, but the principal and shocking message, that our genes were destructively manipulated and influenced by another race.

Sasha Lessin, Ph. D. - based on Study of Zecharia Sitchin's ...

[edit on 23-1-2009 by CoolBlackHole]

posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 07:33 AM
i find it truly amazing that some posters here who by the wayare supposed to reject main stream media and and main stream scientists and main stream scholars and main stream thinking itself are so quick to pooh pooh an idea or person that doesnt reflect the main stream, of course he doesnt thats why were interested . right? NEXT

posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 07:35 AM
reply to post by OzWeatherman

Actually no, he doesn't claim to be the only one able to correctly translate the Sumerian texts...hes one of a about 8 or so people in the world, hes just one of the more popular.

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