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Big Brother watching?

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posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 04:16 AM
Anyone notice the increasing amount of Face Detection technology being implemented?

Once, the toy of high security firms carrying out tasks like 'vehicle number plate recognition', this somewhat useful technology is finding it's way it many consumer devices and software.

Let's look at the latest people to take it main-stream - Apple with their iPhoto application. Take your phtotos, import them into iPhoto and then tag a face with a name. iPhoto will then go off and compile all the pictures that it thinks is the same person....great. I like this. This of course means many, many others will follow suite (google, flickr, photobucket etc. etc.).

Part of this technology allows you then to link these photos with social network sites such as Facebook. Again, great - sort all my pictures in iPhoto and share on Facebook instantly linking my pics with my friends on facebook......

But, thinking about it - it gets a little worrying. Suddenly a huge database is growing that 'we are populating' which has lots of information in it and links facial data with that contact information.

It's well known that in the Facebook terms and conditions that when you submit a photo to them you openly agree to a licence that allows them to do anything with that image (sell it, share it etc. etc.):

"By posting User Content to any part of the Site, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part) and distribute such User Content for any purpose, commercial, advertising, or otherwise, on or in connection with the Site or the promotion thereof, to prepare derivative works of, or incorporate into other works, such User Content, and to grant and authorize sublicenses of the foregoing."

So now lets think about all the Face Detection technology being placed into many consumer products but more importantly into security surveillance systems (and the UK is FULL of them). It means you could be walking down the street and that camera will possibly then know who you are etc. etc. Scary stuff.

What's next?

posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 02:28 PM
A little more reading and they do seem to want to push this stuff. The caveat being linking the face-data to real data which once again, us - 'we' the people are happily populating and allowing usage.

Smart Cameras are becoming more popular in Intelligent Surveillance Systems area. Recognizing faces in a crowd in real-time is a key features which would significantly enhance Intelligent Surveillance Systems. Using a high resolution smart camera as a tool to extract faces that are suitable for face recognition would greatly reduce the computational load on the main processing unit. This processing unit would not be overloaded by the demands of the high data rates required for high resolution video and could be designed solely for face recognition. In this paper we report on a multiple-stage face detection and tracking system that is designed for implementation on the NICTA high resolution (5 MP) smart camera.

Forget barcodes and chips under the skin - what's better than the face for authentication....

posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 02:30 PM
why does this scare you?

posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 02:40 PM
If there is no hidden agenda then it is not scary at all.

If there is a hidden agenda then it becomes a real issue of privacy, or lack of. They know who I am, where I am, who I socialise with etc. etc.

Of course, that's only if people want to miss-use the data and information.

Here is the UK there tends to be many people that do not want a national ID card (some don't mind), 90% (can't prove that stat) would not want a chip or embedded rfid tag etc.

Could Face Detection be the way forward? I don't know.

posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 02:53 PM
Very good question that I never thought of. and that means that many more won't think twice about it either. I haven't done it.

I don't know how accurate it is though. I don't think it could replace genetic testing in a court case.

posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 05:06 PM
True, certainly it would not stand in court.

I think the point is so many are uncomfortable or horrified with their privacy being invaded using methods such as National ID cards with RFID technology or, the big scary scenario (speculative) of embedded technology. Yet, here I am merrily populating databases, linking information and in-turn linking me and others (who may not want it) to a potential system that can be very powerful in a very subtle way. All in the name of social-networking.

I forget how many people use these social-networks but it is a scary figure - that's a lot of information at hand which when mixed with other governmental systems draws tremendous power.

posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 05:18 PM
This technology may seem harmless enough but is it just a stepping stone to something more sinister?
Please correct me but it appears to me that advances in technology always have a military/security angle. Later on this filters down to the general public as in this apple app.

posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 05:28 PM
I agree totally, the UK has gone mad with trying to break through your anonimity. God even lap-tops can have face detection when you buy them.

As an add on, Yesterday I received the statistics for my pro-website (Im a photographer) They tell you who and from where is visiting my UK based site. Of interest are: Strathclyde police,
Sunnyvale, California, United States 2,489
4 San Jose, California, United States 817
5 San Diego, California, United States 325
6 Glasgow, United Kingdom (Private) 213
8 Seattle, Washington, United States 877

I mean Im a good photographer, but as yet ive never sold anything in America !


posted on Jan, 22 2009 @ 03:20 AM
Yes, on one hand it can be really useful - but on the other the thought of misuse can be easily grasped.

Everything is in place (technology wise) - and as more of it get's main-stream you do wonder where it is going...

posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 06:22 AM
i just wanted to start a new thread and found this one..

i was having a discussion on sunday with a friend about scanning peoples LAN networks etc..and he said that apple have gone one step further...they scan for LAN networks and use these for their location services...he also said they send stuff over these LAN networks 'somewhere'.

we then went on to talk about other stuff...the iphone apps that can tell you what song is being played on a radio..and even that they want an app that will tell you who someone is if you point your iphone at them..

my friend obviously thought this was impossible as somehow they would have to scan a face and compare it with a databank of faces to compare them to then tell you who the person is sitting across from you on a bus...and for this they would need facial images of as many people as possible.

then...coincidently..i opened iphoto yesterday on my new imac for the first time and saw this function 'faces'..where the user can select 'faces' on their photos and tell iphoto who that person then scans your photos and finds them in other photos and names them all..

i went cold i can tell you...this is absolutely perfect and solves the problem my friend had with this idea.....they get as many of the worlds population as possible to tell them how they and their friends look...and apple then sends this (faces) with names linked to a databank somewhere without your knowledge.

it recently also came out that many apps send info 'somewhere' without the iphone owners knowledge...including photos..address books..notes etc...

could this be how they are building the database they need for their facial recognition tech?

i used to like apple..great great computers...and ive never had anything else...but this is getting way too much..its one thing helping us name our photos..but if they send this info to a databank somewhere they need to be stopped...

posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 08:22 AM
reply to post by AlwaysQuestion

There are ways....I always wear a cap with the bill pulled down low, and never look up when in a city. I paint my license plates with flat clear to defeat the reflective quality of them, makes it really hard for a speed cop to get a hit on me. I put a Ron Paul sticker on my back bumper and a Pentagram, this makes cops think twice before an hassle.

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