America once again shows lack of class

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posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by nixie_nox
That Americans have finally rallied around someone with real social value, everyone still gets their panties in a bunch.


Entirely subjective, you missed the essential point.




posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:05 PM
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What about your messiah? Obama?
He showed class by thanking Bush for his service and showing him respect.
Many people disagree with Bush, but when the man is stepping down, it serves no purpose to show such hate, especially on a day which was supposed to be about 'love' and 'union'.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by LLoyd45
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Is he showing the American public his birth certificate, his passport records, or even his college records like the other candidates did? If not, so much for transparency.. LOL



What I want to know is how a poor AA college grad who has never had a real job in his life became a wealthy man.

[edit on 1/21/2009 by TheAvenger]



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:14 PM
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So what are you saying?
That we should stick our head in the sand and pretend no one wants to kill us.
Even Obama has acknowledged this, so don't tell me terrorists don't exist.


Obama Inauguration transcript:
Our nation is at war against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred.
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To those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict or blame their society's ills on the West, know that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy.




posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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I dont understand how the people who booed are classless... he deserved it. To tell you the truth i didnt ever hear booing and yes i was watching it.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:18 PM
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To the OP: what constitutes "class" or a lack of it in respect of behaviour is a matter of perspective and one that varies widely according to our cultural and social circumstances. In this case, I feel that US citizens and residents are best placed to voice valid opinions as they are the ones who best understand when "booing" is or is not appropriate at an American public ceremony.

There's another angle I'd like to mention though, which does in some way reflect on concepts of "class".

Yesterday I arranged for my English language students (all young adults) to meet in our school's computer room where we could access the internet and watch the inauguration live via streaming video. I did this for two reasons: firstly, it gave them a chance to view the whole process as it happened, in English, rather than some edited or over-dubbed version on local TV stations (complete with interpreter's "errors" -- accidental or otherwise). I've found that they soon discover there is sometimes a difference between what the MSM reports here about major international events (especially political events) and what the reality is. They're now learning what "editorial policy" means.

The second reason was that here in the Czech Republic, the people do not choose their President. Instead, they vote for candidates who form the parliament, then various political parties nominate candidates for the office of President, and then the President is chosen by parliamentary vote. So, the "supreme leader" of this small country -- the one who is best-known internationally -- need not be in any way the person that the majority of the people want. You might argue that as the people vote for the members of parliament, then the one chosen by the politicians reflects the will of the people. But there are many parties here, coalition governments are pretty usual, and it happens that members of parliament from different parts of the political spectrum will band together to choose a certain candidate -- against the general will of the people who voted them in.

Sorry for being long-winded. My point is simply that I wanted my students to see that in the USA, even if the voting system is not perfect, at least the President is someone who was (effectively) chosen by the people. I wanted them to see that power is handed over as the US Constitution says it must be, precisely when it must be, and that whether people voted for the new leader or not, most of them are at least grateful for the fact that they have a system where they have the right to make a choice -- and that they know exactly when they'll have the chance to exercise that right again. Here, elections are often called early, when the ruling party/coalition feels they have the best chance of either making gains or minimizing their losses. This means that the parliament that voted in a new president could have a completely different face perhaps just a few months later, but the nation is still stuck with the same President that the old parliament voted for. (His term of office is fixed.)

This point was not lost on my students, all of whom are old enough to vote.

It was a great opportunity to remind them that they have the right to choose their politicians, and that if they wish, next time they can vote them out and choose someone different. It also got them thinking about the fact that they can't choose their nation's leader, and whether it might not be better to have a change in the law so they they could.

So in respect of "class" (while I'd rather not comment directly on matters of behaviour here), I will say that when it comes to citizens' rights, the way the USA's Constitution enables you to choose your leader is "class" -- all the way. Even if you are not completely happy with it, it's still a lot better than many other other countries have and we have a lot of respect for you for having it, using it -- and respecting it.

Best regards,

Mike



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by jam321
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Haven't you kept up with what the world has been saying about America and Bush/Cheney over the last few years?


Just goes to show that the world is so busy concentrating on what America is doing that they are mostly unaware of what their own government is doing. Time to look in one's own closet.


True...we have no heros here or abroad save the few "true patriots" who understand history and how precious freedom is. These are found in your ordinary citizens who have not been duped by the MSM or intoxicated with the entertainment mentality so rampant in society today.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:23 PM
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Because all of that is spent on war that 1) didn't come up with any real evidence linking Sadaam to Al Quida. 2) no weapons of mass destruction was found. So......why spend 800 billion dollars on a anti-terrorism campaign that didn't contain any terrorists?


HE is meeting today to get us out of Iraq asap. So he can take all that money spent on an illegal war and use that to get us out of the financial chaos the recent government put us in. Re-allocating of funds, not a bad idea. But not spending much more money.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:38 PM
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USMC. I am the first to agree with you on the piss-poor invasion plans of Iraq. And it's true that the President is the Commander in Chief. Ultimately, all responsibility falls back on him. All fair.

If I may, I'd suggest that this flawed plan was not his fault, and that the fault lies with those who presented the plan to the President.

Do you realize that since the creation of the Joint Chiefs in 1947, the US has not won a single damned war? Korea, Vietnam, a little misadventure in Grenada, got run out of Somalia, an ongoing disaster in Iraq, and we squandered our early lead in Afghanistan.

The problem is our Generals. They aren't worth a damn. They can't fight, much less lead a fight. They dress pretty, they talk tough, but when it comes to getting results, they don't have a clue.

They are managers, not leaders. They talk, not lead. They can draw fine organizational charts, and of course that always scares the enemy $#!Tless.

They violated every single principle of warfare from day one. How, I ask, can a general, violate not one or two, but every single principle of warfare????

So I don't entirely hold Bush to blame, as these clowns are supposed to be the experts.

What's worse? Obama will be getting advice from a bunch of pretenders as well.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by jsobecky

Incredibly, Bush and Cheney, and their wives, were loudly booed when they were introduced to the crowd.

I was ashamed to be an American.


And so you should be!!!!

In England rotten fruit and eggs would have been thrown; the French would have erected a barricade and set fire to it; and the Italians would have executed them and hung their bodies from lamp posts.

Booing is better than nothing though.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:39 PM
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It is wrong for the administration to live as it did but its OK for Obama to spend almost 3 times as Bush on the inauguration? HMM?

Just in case it didn't make two lines.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Tallsorts
In England rotten fruit and eggs would have been thrown; the French would have erected a barricade and set fire to it; and the Italians would have executed them and hung their bodies from lamp posts.


Yep, and monkeys would have thrown feces at him.
What's your point?
Shouldn't we be better than that?



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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I, too, was embarrassed.
Its almost like they are now going to make martyrs of Bush and Co.
They are terrible people, but the office of the president deserves respect: the thing is, those booing were the average, non-politically saavy America. They booed because they think "Bush=Bad, Obama=Good."

People are strange...and sometimes stupid.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by macgyver
 


I dont understand how the people who booed are classless... he deserved it. To tell you the truth i didnt ever hear booing and yes i was watching it.


Well I have posted many videos of different peoples prespective on it from various locations including him taking off in the helicopter, there are about 10 vids I have put in the thread, I think they start around page 3.
So go back and enjoy. I personally like it, when I hear the "NaNa Goodbye" song.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by TXTriker
It is wrong for the administration to live as it did but its OK for Obama to spend almost 3 times as Bush on the inauguration?



Most was spent on security, and the funds were not paid by tax payers. Obama's staff raised the funds themselves.



[edit on Wed Jan 21st 2009 by DJMessiah]



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by TruthParadox

Originally posted by Tallsorts
In England rotten fruit and eggs would have been thrown; the French would have erected a barricade and set fire to it; and the Italians would have executed them and hung their bodies from lamp posts.


Yep, and monkeys would have thrown feces at him.
What's your point?
Shouldn't we be better than that?


Bravo to this post.
My thoughts exactly.
We are "supposed" to set the standards.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:49 PM
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A very interesting point - I once had a piece about Sun Tzu and how the military in Iraq had followed not a single accepted principle of warfare, only to lose it all when my PC crashed.

never mind.

Is it not also true though that as a self professed "military" man, Bush should have had a better grasp of strategy and planning (I use the term military very loosely in regards to bush) and therefore been able to better oversee the initial invasion, and consequent occupation?

I have a feeling he just told the brass to get on with it, and gave them carte blanche to do whatever they wanted.

two years spent planning the invasion, occupation and rebuilding of europe in WW2, not even 2 minutes spent doing the same for Iraq, by the looks of things.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:49 PM
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Am I the only one thinking that a pair of shoes and two millions folks booing at Bush is pure class?

Whats so unamerican about it? They stole elections and they are not patriotic, they only work for the corporations that control them.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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Complete silence would have been more fitting, perhaps.


There's nothing left to respect in the office of the presidency. Has it ever really been respectable? Rich white (now blacks, too!) men voting their friends into office. Wasn't the great General George Washington 3 and 6 on his win/loss battle record prior to becoming President?

No, rarely is an individual worth clapping for actually in the president's office. Most of the ones who do deserve applause have been shot.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:55 PM
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Although, I think that all of the booing was in very poor taste and showed the class of those booing – It is wonderful to live in a country that one can do that. USA NO. 1
And to start the first rumors – Obama is an alien for another world (Obama land) who has fathered many children with all of the single women in a small town is Georgia. Since Obama is a time traveler he really lost the election to Hillary Clinton - 4 times - till he change enough of his campaign to win.



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