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Confessions of a Spiritual Anarchist.

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posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 07:17 PM
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Confessions of a spiritual anarchist

I suppose if I have but one thing to fear upon my deathbed
it would be that eternal damnation is real, and I was about to
experience it. I see myself passing to the other side and as I´m
kicking and screaming and fighting to get away I´m slowly but
surely dragged towards these two huge pearly gates, as they swing
open there stands Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and all the other
self righteous maniacs I´ve come to detest in this lifetime. In a
horror worse then all horrors ever known I´m thrown thru the
gates and they close behind me for all time. For me, there could be
no crueler fate.

Why do I detest them? Why do I consider them to be the very
personification of all that is wrong with the world today? Why can I
not be content walking my own path and allow them the right to walk
their own? Please, sit back my friend, relax, and let me explain why
I am a spiritual anarchist.

Mainstream religions, it doesn´t matter which one you pick,
Have but one goal, to enslave the spirit of all they can convert.
They will use threats of eternal damnation, guilt over your simple
foils as a human being or the threat of the sword if need be to
convert as many as possible to the wretched toil of the spiritual
cotton fields. Those they cannot enslave they vilify or destroy.

Like the proverbial monster under the bed the religious
fiends are there at the birth of every new child, so that the
brainwashing can begin at the earliest possible moment. With
pictures and home movies they record the baptism, dedication, the
time in their nurseries and the first visit to Sunday school where
the real indoctrination begins. Different religions have different
rituals but all serve the same purpose, to enslave the soul and
ensure the new crop of pew warmers are secure within the legions of
the spiritually decapitated.

But slavery is not the true nature of man, and they know
this. By the time the child is old enough to begin to explore
spirituality, to have a truly spiritual experience, they have
nothing to fall back upon accept the mindless garbage that has been
drilled into them. The first spiritual experience they have
reinforces the brainwashing that they have been subject too. The
trap had been set from birth and as it was sprung on the
unsuspecting and vulnerable child it delivered unto the masters of
spiritual despotism another lifelong victim to be exploited.

I suppose there are those that would say any spiritual path
is better than none at all. To them I would reply that a life spent
in chains is not preferable to a life lived freely, especially when
it´s the very slaves that hold the key to their freedom.

Freedom has never been the easy path. You must accept what
challenges come your way, responsibility for both your victories and
your failures, and understand that you are in the driver´s seat
of your own life.

Religions don´t allow that. They give you a convenient
scapegoat any time something goes wrong. The devil did it, or the
evil fairies did it or spirits from the dark side made you do it.
That´s crap! The devil didn´t kill 230 million people in
WWII, The devil never rode in the crusades and wasn´t onboard the
airplanes that crashed in the world trade centers. Man did that and
until we stop blaming dark forces and start accepting responsibility
for our own actions then the killing will not stop.

Religions take away the very thing they promise, a true
relationship with the divine. Forcing people to follow the dogma,
not allowing any dissent, saying that 10% of your paycheck and an
hour or so on Sunday morning is all you need to be saved from
whatever terror they´ve somehow convinced you exists is
ludicrous. The creator of all things is NOT a Sunday morning happy
meal.

I am a Spiritual Anarchist.

There was a time when human beings were enslaved and a few
brave souls stood up and cried out at the brutality and injustice of
such a monstrosity being allowed to exist. Many died defending the
idea of freedom for all against those that wished to keep people
enslaved. In time those few became many and even though it took a
war it still led to freedom for all.

I´ve no doubt there are those that would kill me for the heresy I
proclaim. I will not be silenced. The religions and their leaders
whose only goal is to keep humans in spiritual servitude and enslave
the mind and soul of mankind must be overcome. It is wrong, it is
unjust, and I shall cry out for all to hear that it must be over
thrown.

I am a spiritual Anarchist and I need your help to overthrow the
tyranny that is nothing less then the slavery of the human soul.




posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 07:22 PM
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I think the usual suspects will soon come to tell you how deluded you are and that you are giving in to your sin nature and rejecting Christ or whomever,

But know that you are not alone in your anarchy.

There are more people like you than you know.

There are still more who are sitting on the fence, and will leave behind the "slavery" as you called it, like blossoms waiting to open.



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 07:27 PM
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Spiritual Anarchist ?

Methinks also was Yeshua, aka Christ.



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by Netzar

Spiritual Anarchist ?

Methinks also was Yeshua, aka Christ.


As long as I don't get nailed to a cross.



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 07:44 PM
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Good read, I seriously doubt you will have to worry about those 2 waiting for you anywhere.

I call them the church of Satan. Everything that is said of Satan I see them do. I'm pretty sure it's "the truth will set you free", not "the truth will send you on crusades, bigotry and manipulation in my name".

Oh, and if you should happen to see those 2 for some reason. Quote Matthew 7 to them.

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.




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posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by badmedia

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.



That was a pretty good read too. A star for you my friend.

As a Spiritual Anarchist though I propose that all religion must be over thrown. Not the wisdom they cloak themselves in.

Religion uses small truths to hide the bigger lie of what they are.

Keep the truth that your heart finds dear and lose the lie they use to enslave you.

Thinking for yourself is not easy. It never has been and never will be. If you ever truly want to know the face of the one who created all things though, it's a necessity.



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by mrwupy


As a Spiritual Anarchist though I propose that all religion must be over thrown. Not the wisdom they cloak themselves in.

Religion uses small truths to hide the bigger lie of what they are.

Keep the truth that your heart finds dear and lose the lie they use to enslave you.

Thinking for yourself is not easy. It never has been and never will be. If you ever truly want to know the face of the one who created all things though, it's a necessity.


Yeah, well, here's the problem with that.

As soon as you outlaw or overcome religion, we must presumably put rules in place to keep people from sliding back into religious ways.

Now, since we would all have to follow those rules... how is that any different than where we came from?

Sure, we would all get along, but there would be only one "right" way to do it.

I maintain taht religions will always be with us, wearing different masks. Some people just need the support, need the ego boost that coems with being "right."



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 10:41 PM
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Yep, this is the problem. If you try to force things onto people, you become the greater evil yourself, and you become exactly what you were fighting. Basically you'll just be a hypocrite(also addressed in matthew 7).

Have to give others freedom in order to have freedom for yourself. As much as I disagree with organized religion, I would never try to take that away from someone.

[edit on 20-1-2009 by badmedia]



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 10:58 PM
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Yes so the only thing left to do is expose religion. They can not keep their religion unless people believe in it. But they can not dictate that we believe in it. They can only decieve us and hope we fall for it.



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by badmedia
reply to post by asmeone2
 


Yep, this is the problem. If you try to force things onto people, you become the greater evil yourself, and you become exactly what you were fighting. Basically you'll just be a hypocrite(also addressed in matthew 7).

Have to give others freedom in order to have freedom for yourself. As much as I disagree with organized religion, I would never try to take that away from someone.

[edit on 20-1-2009 by badmedia]


Yeah. That was a difficult lesson I had to learn when I was first coming away from religion.

At first I tried to wake everyone up but then I realized that I hadn't come very far, i was still holding on to the "I am right" complex.

I still can and do debate someone on theological topics but i always try to put it in the context of "I think this is not true because..." and not "You are wrong because.."



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 11:05 PM
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All I am going to say is ..

I do know how you feel as far as what hell it would be to be around my enemies ..but thats why I did not make them my enemies ..I forgave them ....that does not mean though that I have forgotten ......
I used to say the same thing about my ex husband ...seriously I did .
He was a bad bad man ...and he thought he was going to heaven ...
That bothered me that I would have to put up with him in heaven too ..it horrified me .

But then I realized that the bible says we wont even remember the FORMER THINGS ...so I wont remember the pain he caused me even if he does somehow manage to make it to heaven I wont even remember what he did to me ......so why would care if he was there I wouldnt anymore ? ..(which he has passed lately) ...



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by Simplynoone
All I am going to say is ..

I do know how you feel as far as what hell it would be to be around my enemies ..but thats why I did not make them my enemies ..I forgave them ....that does not mean though that I have forgotten ......
I used to say the same thing about my ex husband ...seriously I did .
He was a bad bad man ...and he thought he was going to heaven ...
That bothered me that I would have to put up with him in heaven too ..it horrified me .

But then I realized that the bible says we wont even remember the FORMER THINGS ...so I wont remember the pain he caused me even if he does somehow manage to make it to heaven I wont even remember what he did to me ......so why would care if he was there I wouldnt anymore ? ..(which he has passed lately) ...



On a side note, that;s always been a part of CHristian theology that I took issue with.

What good is heaven if I go there and don't recognize my family and friends and be able to enjoy my hobbies?



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by asmeone2

Originally posted by Simplynoone
All I am going to say is ..

I do know how you feel as far as what hell it would be to be around my enemies ..but thats why I did not make them my enemies ..I forgave them ....that does not mean though that I have forgotten ......
I used to say the same thing about my ex husband ...seriously I did .
He was a bad bad man ...and he thought he was going to heaven ...
That bothered me that I would have to put up with him in heaven too ..it horrified me .

But then I realized that the bible says we wont even remember the FORMER THINGS ...so I wont remember the pain he caused me even if he does somehow manage to make it to heaven I wont even remember what he did to me ......so why would care if he was there I wouldnt anymore ? ..(which he has passed lately) ...



On a side note, that;s always been a part of CHristian theology that I took issue with.

What good is heaven if I go there and don't recognize my family and friends and be able to enjoy my hobbies?


It doesnt say we wont recognize anyone ...I think it just means we wont remember the bad things at all .....



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 11:20 PM
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I don't understand, where does it say that?

Former things makes me think former things... all of them.

How can you appreciate how good you have heaven if you can't remember the good things?

This is why I would much prefer (and tend to beleive in) reincarnation than the Christian version of heaven.



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 11:27 PM
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This is why I would much prefer (and tend to beleive in) reincarnation than the Christian version of heaven.


Thats the way the universe works when you really get down to it. We are the driving force behind creation. We are what shapes this world, whatever happens in the future much depends on what is happening right now.

The moment when you forget is the moment you are born again. You are only born with what you know spiritually as truth all other things are forgotten. As some of us get older we lose touch with our spiritual self, the things we are born with, that we know intuitively to be true.

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posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 11:39 PM
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Yes the reincarnation always had more appeal to me.

I would rather live many lives with pleasure and pain in each of them than live in heven forever and only iknow a dissociated type of happiness.

But I digress from the OP's point. Both of you U2U me if you want to discuss further.



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by asmeone2
I don't understand, where does it say that?

Former things makes me think former things... all of them.

How can you appreciate how good you have heaven if you can't remember the good things?

This is why I would much prefer (and tend to beleive in) reincarnation than the Christian version of heaven.



It is in Psalms ..
www.blueletterbible.org...

I do believe we will remember love ...any love we had with another here will be even deeper love there ...if it was love ....
Love connects people forever (if it is real love) ..I dont believe that connection is ever broken not even in heaven (Of course that is my opinion) ......
Also check Ecc 2:16 and Psa 9:6

We will have no pain ..no hurt ...no death ...nothing bad ...and it wont come to our remembrance .....



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by asmeone2
Yes the reincarnation always had more appeal to me.

I would rather live many lives with pleasure and pain in each of them than live in heven forever and only iknow a dissociated type of happiness.

But I digress from the OP's point. Both of you U2U me if you want to discuss further.


Actually, Jesus says both things are present on earth and in heaven. What you gain here is there, and what you lose here is lost there. This is talking about knowledge and wisdom and such, not material gain.

The meek will inherit the earth, that is pretty much reincarnation. That doesn't mean it is the only path however, or only option. I think it's more of you repeat the lesson until you learn it. And there are probably many lessons to learn I'd guess, but it is that - a guess.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:36 PM
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You're singing to the chorus, here! I am thought to be anarchist, false prophet and anti-Christ. It is good to know I am in good company!



I suppose there are those that would say any spiritual path
is better than none at all. To them I would reply that a life spent
in chains is not preferable to a life lived freely, especially when
it´s the very slaves that hold the key to their freedom.


Actually, the spiritual path is not a religious one but the 2 are often enmeshed in peoples minds. They are two very separate things. The chains that you speak of are only related to religion, not spirituality.


Religions take away the very thing they promise, a true
relationship with the divine. Forcing people to follow the dogma,
not allowing any dissent, saying that 10% of your paycheck and an
hour or so on Sunday morning is all you need to be saved from
whatever terror they´ve somehow convinced you exists is
ludicrous. The creator of all things is NOT a Sunday morning happy
meal.


Yes, it is like; "What's God got to do with it?" Religion becomes the God!


I am a spiritual Anarchist and I need your help to overthrow the
tyranny that is nothing less then the slavery of the human soul.


That is what many of us are doing. I will not stop speaking the Truth! My role is to help expose many Christian related doctrines and even the Bible itself, and certainly many of its religious prophets & teachings. The religious cannot seem to understand that God is not to be held accountable to the Bible. This is a great challenge to them.

I too have many thoughts on this. Please check out my threads especially the ones below and U2U me if you want to discuss this further. I have been doing this for a long time!!

Good thread, and thank you for your intimacy!



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 01:39 PM
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I would say doing some study, that they are not to be fearned nor any flesh, what we need to fear is our lack of understanding people and prudently and justly, help them stand upright as they help us stand upright




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