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Topic started on 20-1-2009 @ 03:24 PM by asmeone2
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In an unusual legal case arising from the increasingly popular practice known as “sexting,” six Pennsylvania high school students are facing
child pornography charges after three teenage girls allegedly took nude or semi-nude photos of themselves and shared them with male classmates via
their cell phones.
The female students at Greensburg Salem High School in Greensburg, Pa., all 14- or 15-years-old, face charges of manufacturing, disseminating or
possessing child pornography while the boys, who are 16 and 17, face charges of possession, according to WPXI-TV in Pittsburgh, which published the
story on its Web site on Tuesday.
Police told the station that the photos were discovered in October, after school officials seized a cell phone from a male student who was using it in
violation of school rules and found a nude photo of a classmate on it. Police were called in and their investigation led them to other phones
containing more photos, it said.
www.msnbc.msn.com...
Well, what do you think ATS?
Do you think this is a modern version of "You show me yours adn I'll show you mine?" Were the police overreacting?
Do you think that the action here was legitimate based on the potential danger of passing around these pictures?
If these were adults there would be no issue, as it is their bodies, but does that logic extend down to children?
I can understand the school district punishing the children as they generally have rules for cell phone use and do not allow pornography on campus,
but arrest is overkill I think.
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:39 PM by Hastobemoretolife
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I think It is bull.
They need to add a stipulation to the law that if the pictures are self portraits then no prosecution can be pursued and as far as the possession
charges I think that is equally bull.
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:40 PM by Son Of Liberty
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The teachers had no right to search through his texts. That is an invasion of his privacy.
And really, putting child porn charges on KIDS?
[edit on 20-1-2009 by Son Of Liberty]
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:44 PM by asmeone2
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Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
I think It is bull.
They need to add a stipulation to the law that if the pictures are self portraits then no prosecution can be pursued and as far as the possession
charges I think that is equally bull.
In this case, maybe, but across the board I think that would have some unpleasant effects.
SOmeone could wriggle out of a legitimate child porn conviction by saying "They took the picture themself!"
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:47 PM by _Phoenix_
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This does not make sense, so these guys can have sex with each other, but not flirt over text messages?
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:47 PM by asmeone2
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Originally posted by Son Of Liberty
The teachers had no right to search through his texts. That is an invasion of his privacy.
And really, putting child porn charges on KIDS?
[edit on 20-1-2009 by Son Of Liberty]
Whether the teachers have the right to do it is debatable, but keep in mind that most teenagers do not actually own their phones... it is the parents
that pay for the phones and foot the bill for the service.
The parents do have the right to look through their kid's texts and calls. They should, to ensure that their kids are safe.
I have to say that i would not want my teacher looking through my kids phone but I would do it myself, and if I found naked pictures of a child on
that phone, I would most likely call the police, too.
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:47 PM by MacSen191
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I wouldn't like my son to have a nude picture of a classmate. I think that the child pornography thing is crap though because they are all in HS and
under the age of 18.
My question is though, what right did the school have to search the boys cell phone? Confiscating it because of school rules is ok, but to search the
phone? Isn't that a privacy issue?
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:48 PM by md11forever
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Yea a bit of overkill IMHO. Another situation where the law can be applied in ways it wasn't meant to be.
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:48 PM by paperplanes
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Originally posted by asmeone2
The female students at Greensburg Salem High School in Greensburg, Pa., all 14- or 15-years-old, face charges of manufacturing, disseminating or
possessing child pornography while the boys, who are 16 and 17, face charges of possession.
www.msnbc.msn.com...
This is absurd. These kids, if found guilty, will have on their record a conviction related to child pornography--for the girls, the pornography is
of themselves. It would be laughable if the possible outcome weren't so tragic. All of them, if a conviction is reached, will be registered
along with general sex offenders. This is....nauseating.
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:48 PM by _Phoenix_
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Originally posted by asmeone2
Originally posted by Son Of Liberty
The teachers had no right to search through his texts. That is an invasion of his privacy.
And really, putting child porn charges on KIDS?
[edit on 20-1-2009 by Son Of Liberty]
Whether the teachers have the right to do it is debatable, but keep in mind that most teenagers do not actually own their phones... it is the parents
that pay for the phones and foot the bill for the service.
The parents do have the right to look through their kid's texts and calls. They should, to ensure that their kids are safe. But in some circumstance
I would understand if she asked to go through if she was suspicious or worried.
I have to say that i would not want my teacher looking through my kids phone but I would do it myself, and if I found naked pictures of a child on
that phone, I would most likely call the police, too.
If I was 16, I would expect my mother to not go through my text messages, I would give her the same respect and not go through hers.
Why would you call the police if your kid had a naked pic of his girlfriend?
I would be highly embarassed if my mother found a pic of my fellow classmate on my phone, but I wouldn't expect her to phone the police on me, that
would shock me lol.
[edit on 20-1-2009 by _Phoenix_]
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:48 PM by asmeone2
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Originally posted by _Phoenix_
This does not make sense, so these guys can have sex with each other, but not flirt over text messages?
It's goofy.
They are calling this child porn... which is illegal for everyone... even though these kids would face no charge for sleeping with each other.
They should not be taking pictures like that of themselves, but yes, that is stupid.
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:50 PM by asmeone2
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Originally posted by MacSen191
I wouldn't like my son to have a nude picture of a classmate. I think that the child pornography thing is crap though because they are all in HS and
under the age of 18.
My question is though, what right did the school have to search the boys cell phone? Confiscating it because of school rules is ok, but to search the
phone? Isn't that a privacy issue?
Honestly I do not know what the legalities are there.
I know that while I was in school, cell phones were just being introduced. As a punishment some teachers would take the call or read the text aloud
during class if it rang. Maybe it was something like this.
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:50 PM by _Phoenix_
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Originally posted by asmeone2
Originally posted by _Phoenix_
This does not make sense, so these guys can have sex with each other, but not flirt over text messages?
It's goofy.
They are calling this child porn... which is illegal for everyone... even though these kids would face no charge for sleeping with each other.
They should not be taking pictures like that of themselves, but yes, that is stupid.
Yeah I've seen threads about similar news reports before. Strange but true haha.
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:53 PM by asmeone2
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If I was 16, I would expect my mother to not go through my text messages, I would give them the same respect.
Why would you call the police if your kid had a naked pic of his girlfriend?
[edit on 20-1-2009 by _Phoenix_]
I should have clarified, if it was a picture of a child that I did not recognize, and could not get an answer from my child as to who it was. If I
knew I would as a courtesy inform that child's parents and let them deal with it, but if not I would not want to take the chances.
I feel this way though, I will not go through my kid's stuff if they do not give me a reason to do so. However if I find out that they are engaging
in behavior that is against the rules, then they forfeit the right to privacy.
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:54 PM by bigfatfurrytexan
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Originally posted by MacSen191
I wouldn't like my son to have a nude picture of a classmate. I think that the child pornography thing is crap though because they are all in HS and
under the age of 18.
My question is though, what right did the school have to search the boys cell phone? Confiscating it because of school rules is ok, but to search the
phone? Isn't that a privacy issue?
YOu summed it up perfectly. I see a countersuit coming from some parents on the school for invasion of privacy.
Child porn is no joke, and protecting children from predators needs to be the goal of every LEO in the nation. However, this is ridiculous. They are
not protecting from predators, they are meddling in teenage affairs.
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:56 PM by NatureBoy
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i think it was the teacher that was crazy, what can the police do if they're called? What sort of idiot teacher calls the cops, he should of deleted
the pic and told off the boy a bit, maybe someone shuld have spoken to the girls quietly.
What will happen is this 'sexting' phad which probably doesn't really exsist will get hyped up by the media and kids will get special lessons about
not sexting -they'll mess up the message so much that they make is sound really cool and kids will suddenly all be aware of this really crazy thing
you can do and before you know it it'll be massive.
when i was at school someone got reported to the police by boots because he (15) had pictures of his 16 year old girlfriend topless on a roll of film,
police gave him a talking too 'what if they'd got into the hands of pedos, etc, etc' and let him go without charge.
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:57 PM by thisguyrighthere
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It's amazing to think that their lives are essentially ruined. They'll be registered as sex-offenders and felons. Their entire future from
employment opportunities, housing opportunities, relationships, neighborhood stigma, gun ownership, etc... all because government is an a$$hole.
More lives destroyed by government.
Teenagers are already pretty high suicide risks. This wont help.
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:57 PM by _Phoenix_
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Originally posted by asmeone2
If I was 16, I would expect my mother to not go through my text messages, I would give them the same respect.
Why would you call the police if your kid had a naked pic of his girlfriend?
[edit on 20-1-2009 by _Phoenix_]
I should have clarified, if it was a picture of a child that I did not recognize, and could not get an answer from my child as to who it was. If I
knew I would as a courtesy inform that child's parents and let them deal with it, but if not I would not want to take the chances.
I feel this way though, I will not go through my kid's stuff if they do not give me a reason to do so. However if I find out that they are engaging
in behavior that is against the rules, then they forfeit the right to privacy.
That kind of makes sense, if it were me I would try to figure out who it was, if he/she knew the person, then I would delete it and forget about it,
if they did not know who is in the picture, then that would be a little worrying, because who knows where they got it from.
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:59 PM by asmeone2
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Yes I would not want to take the risk that it was actual exploited child porn that I am overlooking.
And while the school and police overstepped their boundaries I do not think that we should minimize that it is dangerous for the kids to send out nude
pictures of themselves.
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 04:04 PM by _Phoenix_
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Originally posted by asmeone2
Yes I would not want to take the risk that it was actual exploited child porn that I am overlooking.
And while the school and police overstepped their boundaries I do not think that we should minimize that it is dangerous for the kids to send out nude
pictures of themselves.
Yes it is a bit over the top, but there is a slight danger, that teachers and parents should be aware of just in case.
I mean when I was 14 in school, this girl used to hang out with us boys, a couple of times she flashed her boobies lol. The difference there is like
the saying "why don't you take a picture, it will last longer!"
Well yes it will last longer, and that's the danger I guess.
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