reply to post by CreeWolf
One flaw with a lot of the things you've mentioned is that they're not indicative of true Islam. I mean, jesus, no religion in it's purest form
advocates killing innocent people. If you look back to a post on the 2nd page, where it shows some verses from the Koran, you can see that it's
obviously in favour of help. I'll even quote a few, just so there's no excuse for people not reading.
Posted by _Phoenix_
[2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last
Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
I'd say that quite clearly shows that Islam isn't anti-jew. What people seem to be getting mixed up is the religion at it's core, and the evil
bastards that distort it and use it to their own purposes, telling kids that if they martyr themselves they'll live forever etc. Anyone that believes
any religion wants you to kill people just because they don't believe as you do has problems. I feel like this bit can't be stressed enough.
More from _Phoenix_
[Quran 5:32] " we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it
shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people.
[Quran 6:151] "...... You shall not kill - GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that
you may understand."
I think that covers the suicide bombing and anti-jewish crap, so I'll move on.
Now to how Muslim men treat women? What exactly are you talking about? Not trying to start an arguement by avoiding the point, just asking for you to
make it clearer. And again, what some people do isn't what every Muslim does. Just saying. And if it sounds like I've repeated this a thousand
times, I probably have, as this topic is a sore point for me - know a couple Muslim girls, and from what I've seen they're not subjugated or treated
like they're worthless. So, yeah.
Honor killings I'm not even going to start on, because there's no defence for them. If someone does that, they have problems, and need to reread
whatever hold book they're reading from.
Ok, last point, Mohammed marrying Aisha when she was 9. The man lived 1500 years ago, I'm sure everyone knows that things were different, the culture
was different back then. As far as I can remember Aisha was the daughter of Abu Bakr, a friend of Mohammed's. The marriage was in one way, to
strengthen ties between the men, as far as I'm aware marriages were often used back then to establish or strengthen links between two families, or
communities. A I said earlier though, it was 1500 odd years back, so it's only natural that things that are seen as unacceptable now, were
commonplace then. And, we're judging them by the set of values we have now..
Sorry for any incoherance, it's 3am so my arguements perhaps aren't my clearest.
Edit: I'm not pro Muslim, as I don't see it's anything to be for or against. I just see it as a religion that has bad press thanks to some
extremists, and sadly some people don't seem to be able to separate extremists from the Muslim population in general. Thansk a lot MSM. I'll admit,
I don't agree with quite a lot in Islam, but, I don't agree with the idea that it's the world's greatest evil either. So, yeah. Take from all this
what you will. And thanks to anyone who's actually bothered to read this.
[edit on 20-1-2009 by DarkPassenger]