A word on false prophets:

From the beginning of civilization, people with priviliged knowledge have tried to leverage it by claiming it is devine knowledge or fate. Usually the mechanism is that they are part of some sort of elitist power structure, infleunce peddling ring or other shady secret societies or religion, and have insider information of long term plans.

Some elitist plans are set up decades in advance, without a firm execution date, being thrown upon the populations when all the requisite preconditions are met. Then the prophet of choice is named and hyped, hoping to herd people into the low levels of religious hierarchy and/or a specific, and usually self denigrating, mindset.

It's probably a con, imo.

john titor was from another timeline and there can understandably be distortions in the dates he gives. i dont know what the percentage of error would be but polls always give plus or minus 3 to 5%, i make allowances for dates and minor distortions and go by the trends he speaks about.

Wasn't John Titor (pseudonym) the co-creator of the tv serious Jericho?

He was just trying to get feed back on the "story" to see if it would work for tv and it got out of hand.

Originally posted by nahsik
This is what John Titor said about the Olympics:
"Sports are still enjoyed just as they are today. The Olympics are no longer played though due to various conflicts. The last Olympic Games took place in 2004 and may resume in 2040."

Remember this? I can't believe a word he says after this comment.

If you believe that Titor was really 4 years, as the OP is suggesting, he would be referring to the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

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Originally posted by craig732

Can you please make a list of these "hits", or direct me to a list of them?

Thanks!

Hey craig732, I am by no means a skeptic or a believer but here are some of the hits I found.

1: In 2001 Titor forecast that China was "pretty close to putting a man in orbit; it shouldn't surprise you if they do that soon." In October 2003 China became the third nation to put an astronaut into Earth orbit.

2: Titor implied that weapons of mass destruction would not be found in Iraq. "Are you really surprised that Iraq has nukes now, or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?" he wrote in early 2001.

3: In 2000 Titor declared, "The basics for time travel start at CERN in about a year." Six months later, news stories emerged announcing that scientists at CERN (European Center for Nuclear Research) in Switzerland were confident that its new atom-smasher would create mini-black holes, the same kinds of singularities John Titor claimed to use.

Anyone else know of more?

Please note too that John noted if his predictions don't come true, it just means that our worldline is slightly different from his and that ours can change at any time. (see my previous post)


-Kdial1

Can someone explain to me what some of the stuff on there is?

What is date of Conseption? Mine was 9 November 1990 on a Friday..

Originally posted by OnlyTruth
Can someone explain to me what some of the stuff on there is?

What is date of Conseption? Mine was 9 November 1990 on a Friday..

I think you are on the wrong thread, you are looking to post on the Very cool birth calculator thread.

-Kdial1

Originally posted by stikkinikki
Now I don't buy into the Titor story, but for the sake of discussion didn't he state that his timeline and ours are not expected to be the same. Therefore, althought timelines could be similar in themes but different outcomes?

Well Thats true. Its not like time travel you see on Star Trek where you can influence your own time line. No what John Titor spoke of was really more like Sliders than Star Trek. You can go back in time, but you will end up in a different time line, (a parallel universe) and where you came from, well you couldn't affect your time line, the one you came from.

I don't recall John ever saying about a president trying to be lincoln, I do however remember reading on johntitor.com (I believe thats the site) that the president, she ruled with an Iron fist. I think he was refering to Hillary or maybe Pelosis.
I'm not going to claim I'm a psycic., but I just don't see a civil war happening. I don't see a war with Russia, I see it with China.
I also see two attempts on Obama life happening, the good news, well they don't happen. I believe I read that the first attempt was stop in Mississippi or something. If any body has access to the story, well please send me a link.

I get the impression from reading this thread that many of the people who are commenting have not read the original conversations from the forum which Titor took part in.

I have.

Not only that, I also read months of posts after that. This was before I came to ATS, before I found it. The only reason I did find ATS is because of John Titor's story and a google search.

The Multi-World Theorem (Which is a very likely model as it stands because the more we learn about Quantum Mechanics, the more likely it seems) states the following about time travel;

-There is no such thing as direct timeline travel. Any timeline you travel back to will be a split from your originating timeline.

-Preservation of Causality means you can never return to your original world if you do travel back in time. You can only return to a world infinitesimally different from your own.

-World-lines have divergences from the original world. Some can be so massive as to be deadly upon arrival (Earth formed too close to the sun and has a toxic atmosphere, etc.), or recognizably different but with very similar histories.


That being noted, stated, and CLARIFIED for those who are not familiar with Titor, he stated that this model is correct.

I cannot go into the physics concerning his time travel machine, but there are places you can go to read the discussions about the device and most of what is proposed seems to be fairly good guess work, if it isn't accurate. Suffice it to say, if Titor made up his story concerning the time machine, his rudimentary descriptions of the Physics seems to jive with our current understanding of things and does not outright conflict.

Many people who claim to have debunked Titor refer to a picture taken, supposedly, of his Mentor in the truck with the Time Travel Device... and a Laser pointer whose light bends as it leaves the cab. I would argue that people who think this is proof DO NOT understand particle physics or how light might be affected by an intense gravitational distortion in a local environment.

If someone were to argue that, "if that's the case, how come the people sitting NEXT to the device aren't meat paste?" I'd be obliged to point out that the purpose of the device was to transport the vehicle and its contents through time that the distortion would likely work exactly as driving a car. You don't feel your mass or weight while you are maintaining a steady motion, you feel as if you are stationary because you and the objects around you are moving at the same velocity.

Thusly, if a person, car, and time travel device are moving at the same velocity... I'd imagine the light would bend around them much like the wind flows across your windshield, but they would not feel any adverse effects of their motion unless they hit some sort of time-wall.

For those of you who haven't researched Titor, or who think that by refuting a few key points in the story that the whole of it falls apart... you all need to read more on the topic.

And keep something in mind;



Allowing for the belief in something does not necessitate believing it. Keeping the possibility open does not necessarily quantify endorsement. Skepticism is keeping an open mind to all possibilities, but confessing only to the ones likeliest to your understanding.



That being said...

The first thing I thought of when I was paying attention to Obama in the past week and the Lincoln thing was brought up repeatedly... was John Titor's statement about the next President trying to be like Lincoln.

For those who don't remember... Titor stated he was surprised that Y2K hadn't happened, because in his reality it had.

Why don't you mull over if that could've possibly delayed the inevitable by contributing to the complacency of the populace as a whole.

Would this apply that free will is thrown out? Perhaps just fate? Or maybe it is a combination of the two? In which you have a choice to make (Free-Will), but making a choice will lead you down a path for say two steps and then you must choose another path? Also being that Titor came back and explained the way in which he achieved Time travel, could that in a way alter the way in which we (Present time) currently perceive time and how to travel back and forth through it? To me it seems like it since Titor did say that things have changed since his coming back; which could in fact lead to one thing such as the way in which we may travel will be altered.

Interesting read through I'll give it that much, but so much of it seems heavily open-ended because of that phrase "Me(Titor) being here will change a few things.."

This is where you start getting into the quantum world and it all goes back to the Many-worlds interpretation. I personally would take an educated guess and say it is a combination of both free will and fate. Being that it can take the current world line you are on and analyze the free will choices you made throughout life, plot a graph according to your world line then take the same world line according to the graph to plot your travel for the future.

And being heavily open ended is the conundrum with the skeptics and the believers. It all comes back to physics and what you believe. Do you believe in the many-worlds interpretation or the single world line theory.

-KDial1

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If this time travel and divergence is true then there is the possibility that none of his dire predictions will come true. We could be on a line where any disasters, natural or man made, will be different than his predictions.

I choose to plan, if possible, by watching what mankind is doing and thinking instead of preparing for some man's predictions.