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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 08:20 PM by DJMessiah
reply to post by nataylor



I believe strongly that the water theory goes down the drain (pun intended ) when you see the lines formed by the rocks.

If a rock leaves a trail because of the force of water pushing on it, then why doesn't the water wash away the trail too? Is the mud stronger than the rock?


reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 08:49 PM by Terapin
reply to post by DJMessiah



The rocks sit on a slick mud surface. The ice is on TOP of the water. When the ice and wind push the rock, they are ABOVE the mud. Just like when you drag an anchor across the bottom of the ocean. Did you even look at the video?


reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 09:20 PM by DJMessiah
reply to post by Terapin



The video doesn't show the process, only explains what they believe to cause it to occur.

Originally posted by Terapin
The rocks sit on a slick mud surface. The ice is on TOP of the water. When the ice and wind push the rock, they are ABOVE the mud.


The surface can be slick, but the rock still leaves a deep trail in the mud. Why doesn't the water underneath the ice wash away the trail?

Just like when you drag an anchor across the bottom of the ocean. Did you even look at the video?


When I drag an anchor across the ocean floor, the current washes away the trail, does it not?

[edit on Tue Jan 20th 2009 by DJMessiah]


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 04:35 PM by MischeviousElf
reply to post by Terapin



I agree I was firstly as stated convinced it was gravity, or also the water theory with the wind.

But if you look at the first page of this thread I don't think it makes sense to say the Rock with the researchers leg placed on was moved by a slightly slippery mud some wind.

Unless there are huge amount of winds and parachutes attached, the nature of this movement though being pushed by the wind and along the mud, would with gravity make them push mud infront of them into a sort of barrier or dam, and even sink further down into the mud, not stay on the horizontal level they seem to.

Kind Regards,

Elf.


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 05:05 PM by jdposey
reply to post by MischeviousElf



Just like the old saying, 'You learn something new everyday", had it not been for your thread and research put into this topic, I would have never even known this existed!

You did a GREAT job with your outline and information. Thanks!


reply posted on 16-5-2009 @ 01:32 PM by MischeviousElf
Well at last the mystery may be solved, and it has nothing to do with water at all Though this is not conclusive yet much new research done by the people I credit on the opening OP has found some interesting results, and may in turn answer some questions about things seen on Mars to, and seen by many especially in the alternative community as evidence of "tracks" caused by machines etc.

I thought the ice theory was a bit lame as the big one would sink or get encassed in ice....here on earth this OP


It appears this area being unique almost in the world for being so flat, (the lake bed) and also as a Valley to creates huge amounts of wind velocities at the surface of the lake:


Figuring out how the rocks dance may seem silly, but it's helped researchers understand a type of air pollution that threatens some populated areas of Southern California. Dr. Thomas Cahill, a physicist and atmospheric scientist at the University of California, Davis, calculated that the velocity of the winds moving the rocks at Racetrack Playa has to be around 100 mph. Messina and Clarke's work confirms that finding.

Cahill used that knowledge to measure wind velocities at the surface of Owens Lake (since Racetrack Playa is a designated wilderness area, measuring devices cannot be left on the lake bed). It was an effort that up until that time was considered folly because the popular theory was that steady high winds never hug the ground except in tornadoes or hurricanes. In fact, Cahill measured 95 mph winds just a few centimeters above the surface.


Wow 95 mph just off the surface of the lake...


"People don't believe it," he says, "especially in Europe and the East, but I've watched railroad ties be picked up and driven through sand dunes. We've measured the highest wind shears ever recorded."


Berkely.Edu Multimedia Updated Dancing Rocks

So it seems that it may at last been proven by showing similar results from the other area and showing them at work on the Playa.

Water and Ice lol, so sure so many were.

Anyhow this opens up the following to, as pointed out in mike Singhs excellent Thread Mysteries of The Moon and Mars Where you can see photo's of similar tracks on Mars

Many strange objects, and formations are apparent, I am open minded on many of these, however after this new research I don't think the UFO/Alternative community can use "tracks" as evidence of life elsewhere, we know on many planets like mars the winds are much more powerful than on the earth, therefore we could expect to see this phenomina on many planets with flat dry, dusty and windy environments.

However this is encouraging to solve this mystery I am still not 100% sure only 99.9% as as observed in the Playa situation, not all of the rocks move, if the wind is that localised why do 2 so close get acted on differantly, and after moving some of the huge distances as measured they would (the one being acted on) not then be in the location of such localised effects. It does seem some of the rocks have been moving regularly for many years, and that to me is still a mystery when others do not at all.

It probably then could be taken that maybe the ones that do move have a "Bottom" contour, shape or friction property within certain parameters that allows the energy of the wind to overcome the gravity and friction/grip of the rock based on its weight.

Kind regards,

Elf.


reply posted on 17-5-2009 @ 01:43 AM by MischeviousElf
reply to post by h1satsu



It certainly has,

But not probably as you are alluding to

If you look at my post immediately above yours, new research has almost conclusively proven it is wind shear just of the ground, infact the highest wind shear forces ever recorded on earth.

No Ice

No water

As my Above link points to Berkeley edu slideshow for an amazing Multimedia presentation on the rocks, history, research, stats and the new collaborative research and results.

Kind Regards,

Elf



reply posted on 23-9-2009 @ 05:53 PM by MischeviousElf
reply to post by dan steely



Wow that is to be honest the most far out explanation.

That the rocks are so extremely remote and very rarely veiwed observed at all,

So when they are observed they have moved their quantum position before manifesting....

Far out lol

However it wouldnt explain the tracks in the Mud...

A very interesting contribution though, and really really got me thinking as to where these rocks are located so remote and barren!

So how often they are actually observed at all by ANY living (mammal bird insect not microbe etc) consciousness... and all that this line of thought promted by you, could lead to philosophically.

You might find the following interesting and refreshes your memory enjoy look for more on the same name I am sure you will like it:


Google Video Link


Kind Regards,

Elf

[edit on 23-9-2009 by MischeviousElf]
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