The Dancing Rocks of Death Valley - Photo's, page 2
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reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 08:36 AM by LiquidMirage
reply to post by MischeviousElf



I heard about this many years ago but I did not know that the rocks have the ability to translate up a gradient.

I would like to know what the magnetic properties of the rocks are and how they could possibly interact with the local geomagnetic field.

Also, a chemical analysis of the rocks and the surface material they rest on might be able to yield some clues. The electrostatic interactions between the two materials may provide clues to this mystery.


reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 09:01 AM by Now_Then
reply to post by Clearskies



That looks like granite to me, I know the granite up on the moors where I live is slightly magnetic, I think all granite is...


reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 09:04 AM by Clearskies
reply to post by Now_Then



Thanks.
Then maybe, the rocks are pulled by the magnetic forces?
When given ice formations or wet clay?



reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 12:51 PM by LucidDreamer85
reply to post by Now_Then



Only problem with earthquake movement is that the path would not be complete and the same all the way through..there would be inconsistancies within the path/pattern because of the vibration of the quakes would disrupt the smooth dragging of the rock.

If it was morse code it would be ..----.---.-----. according to that theory, when in fact it is like this --------------------------------


reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 02:15 PM by rickyrrr
reply to post by MischeviousElf



Known forces acting upon those rocks:
-Gravity
-Normal force


The normal force (force of the ground against the rock) is subject to geological instabilities...

The force of gravity is subject to tidal pulling from the moon.

So, it could be that between the tidal pull and the geological fluctuations the rocks are compelled to roll in the direction where the moon is at the time? would the evidence support this idea?

-rrr


reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 02:29 PM by MischeviousElf
Originally posted by ANNED
Only new falls are found in the middle of a dry lake bed.
Even heavy nickel iron meteorites will drift to the downwind edge over time.


Anned have you ever seen the tracks from those meteorites, when they move when hunting.

Thanks for your first hand experience of this.

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post by rockieboy



Wonderful photos linked to!

The rock tracks and Milky Way in the night is very stunning thank you!

Originally posted by Maxmars
I don't doubt there is a scientific reason this occurs. But insofar as wind, rain, and ice; there is not enough there to satisfy the energy requirement to move matter over the surface for the distances evidenced by the trails and measurement taken thus far.


That is exactly how I feel about it Maxmars well said.

Originally posted by Now_Then
... I wonder if the Quartz's piezoelectric properties are also helping the process?


Now then thats a good eye! good thought Now_Then, I have been leaning to maybe a Magnetic and or gravitational anomaly in this area, maybe this could link in with a Magnetic Theory.

If the rock covering the said quartz is soo heated during the day, then cools soo much at night with the ice, and cold weather... well that is how these Quartz's liberate the electric energy, by compression of the crystal and release. Then maybe any Electric Charge created is not Arcing to another point as there is no Earthing point such as metal, so it creates a type of static charge, maybe just maybe interacting with the Magnetic field, or allowing the Rocks to be affected by it more.

Maybe the answer is here.

Originally posted by ANNED
And i know of no rocks at devil's Racetrack that weigh as much as a car.

The biggest i have ever heard of moving weigh about 30 pounds.
I also know of no researcher that has ever claimed of any larger then 30 pounds moving.


From my OP Post ANNED

Some of these rocks weigh several hundred pounds. That makes the question: "How do they move?" a very challenging one.

Geology.Com

There are dances and lores of the native American Indians that include Dancing Rocks, I did read about them ages ago, though I believe they were from a Tradition much further south, Have been unable to source it yet, but I will dig around for it more in some books.

Some great contributions for me to think about and explore this further, thank you all.

Kind Regards,

Elf



reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 03:31 PM by Terapin
I was in Death Valley a few months ago.

It has nothing to do with magnetic rocks. They are not Iron based. It has nothing to do with Earthquakes as the area is very geologically stable in that respect. It has nothing to do with the Moon or tidal influence. Tides pull in TWO directions after all. To correct an earlier post, there is NO permafrost in Death Valley either as it is the hottest place in the USA.

If you look at every mountain, valley, and canyon on the planet, you will see geological weathering on a grand scale. Wind, water, and time have carved the mighty rockies and dug out the Grand Canyon. This case, while unusual, is more of the same.

The Lake bed is very dry and made up of tiny clay like silt particles. When wet it becomes slicker than snot. It is also Very windy at times. Enough to knock you over if you are not paying attention. Cars of the park Rangers who live there, often need to have their windshields replaced due to the constant sandblasting they get. Notice how winter ice creates cracks in hardened concrete, or how frost heaves tear apart roads.

In this case, rocks sitting on a wet, and very slippery surface, are subject to the environment they are surrounded by. At night, deserts become very cold and ice is common. Wind whipping down off the mountains as the temperatures drop, become gale force motivators. Ice forms in some parts on the surface of the lake bed. Ice makes a great battering ram when wind driven. Wind, water and ice combine to move these relatively small rocks much like they combine to tear down mountains. It is cool, but no mystery. Just another example of the beautiful wonder of nature. The video posted twice earlier explains it all.


reply posted on 20-1-2009 @ 06:12 PM by burdman30ott6
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Rocks on Mars are in some areas scattered in a strangely uniform fashion, puzzling scientists for years. Now they've figured it out.

Researchers had thought the rocks were picked up and carried downwind by extreme high-speed winds thought to occur on Mars in the past.

Although Mars is a windy planet, its atmosphere is very thin, so it would be difficult for the wind to carry the small rocks, which range in size from a quarter to a softball, said Jon Pelletier, a geoscientist at the University of Arizona in Tucson.

Pelletier and his colleagues now think the rocks are constantly on the move, rolling into the wind, not away from it, and creating a natural feedback system that results in their tidy arrangement.


This was the first thread that popped into my mind when I saw the OP here. I realize that there are some different mechanics that operate between the sandy surface of Mars & the Playas of Death Valley, but isn't it interesting that we've got virtually the same general type of phenomena (rocks 'walking' across the desert with no proven explanation on how they do it) happening on both worlds? There is so much we don't know about the forces of nature & the physics of the universe that it's sometimes downright scarey!
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