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Which President was WORSE than BUSH?

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posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 05:48 PM
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Well, here is what the electorate thought at the time for several of the most recent presidents:

How the Presidents Stack Up
A look at U.S. presidents' job-approval ratings.


I wonder who most believe takes the fraud, waste and abuse award?

I know who my pick would be.



[edit on 20-1-2009 by loam]




posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 06:34 PM
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I wonder if Clintons sharp spike down just before '95 had anything to do with the AWB that ended up kicking all the D's out of Washington?

I think it's funny that America was indifferent at best towards him by the looks of that chart.

Bush Jr. followed his father pretty closely excelling only towards the end by really driving the rating as low as he could.



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 02:53 PM
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Well, this will ruffle some feathers: The worst American President, hands down, was Abraham Lincoln. Skirts the Congress so as to not have to worry about a vote for war, uses State militias to invade other states (unheard of precedent, essentially federalizes the militias, which the Founding Fathers wanted to do with.), arrests and throws in jail a member of the Supreme Court simply for disagreeing with him. Thousands of innocent civilians in the NORTH arrested and sent to prisons/dungeons for little to no reason other than false suspicion, didn't free a single slave (the Emancipation Proclamation was designed to only free slaves under Confederate control, slave states still in loyalty to the Union and slaves held in UNION ARMY controlled areas, were also exempt from emancipation), he persecuted the war in such a way as to absolutely devastate an entire region of the country, his armies raped, pillaged and burned (oh yes, lots of burning) there way across the South, an uncounted number of Southern civilians were shot, hanged or sent to prisons by Federal authorities during the war, and during 'reconstruction (true, not under Lincoln, but still relevant) hundreds of thousands of Southern civilians died of disease or starvation by 1920, all because of Federal policy. Lets not even mention the suspension of the writ of Habeus Corpus, the war against the media or the use of overwhelming force on citizens in the cities of St. Louis, Baltimore, New York and elsewhere anybody decided to pose a demonstration. Okay, New York was a bad example as that was a clear riot from hell, but still, Federal soldiers were used to fire into crowds of people.
Yeah, pretty much our first imperial president and he sets all the bad precedents for everyone else. But hey, its all okay, he freed the slaves didn't he? No? Well, who cares, we all hate rednecks anyway right?



posted on Jan, 21 2009 @ 03:27 PM
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Calamitous presidents, faced with enormous difficulties -- Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Hoover and now Bush -- have divided the nation, governed erratically and left the nation worse off. In each case, different factors contributed to the failure: disastrous domestic policies, foreign-policy blunders and military setbacks, executive misconduct, crises of credibility and public trust. Bush, however, is one of the rarities in presidential history: He has not only stumbled badly in every one of these key areas, he has also displayed a weakness common among the greatest presidential failures -- an unswerving adherence to a simplistic ideology that abjures deviation from dogma as heresy, thus preventing any pragmatic adjustment to changing realities. Repeatedly, Bush has undone himself, a failing revealed in each major area of presidential performance.


Personally, I believe Bush was above averge in the Foriegn Policy affairs, but he was god-awful on the domestic affairs. He was not entirley clueless, he just added more power to the President.

But another come sto mind. Is Warren G. Harding.


A former newspaperman and publisher who won a string of offices in his native Ohio, he was an unrestrained womanizer noted for his affability, good looks, and implacable desire to please.



Harding should have said no when Republican Party bosses in the proverbial smoke-filled room (a phrase that originated with this instance) made him their 11th-hour pick for the highest office. He was so reassuringly vague in his campaign declarations that he was understood to support both the foes and the backers of U.S. entry into the League of Nations, the hottest issue of the day. Once in the White House, the 29th president busied himself with golf, poker, and his mistress, while appointees and cronies plundered the U.S. government in a variety of creative ways. (His secretary of the interior allowed oilmen, for a modest under-the-table sum, to tap into government oil reserves, including one in Teapot Dome, Wyo.) "I have no trouble with my enemies," Harding once said, adding that it was his friends who "keep me walking the floor nights." Stress no doubt contributed to his death in office, probably from a stroke. Almost a decade later, his former attorney general called Harding "a modern Abraham Lincoln whose name and fame will grow with time." That time is still a long way off.


Harding, Harding, Harding...He was an ineffectual and indecisive leader who played poker while his friends plundered the U.S. treasury.

Presidents Of The Worst Kind..



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 02:30 AM
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I have to give LBJ more credit then Bush because he stepped aside rather then seek re election . Besides under LBJ as I understand it the Republican controlled Congress supported the Civil Rights Movement .
Just what did Bush get out of Congress in eight years other then pork ?

As many have pointed out Nixon is hard to asess(SP?) as a president because of his success and failings . The problem when finding a president comparable to Bush is that you have to find someone who was way out of there depth and re elected . Even if you put the likes of Carter against him you still have the fact that any damage Carter inflicted was limited to one term .



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 02:47 AM
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worse then Bush?

President Lincoln was the single worst civil rights violator (and constitutional violator) then any president we have ever seen. I despise the man for all he represented, and I squirm inside how our school teach he's a hero.

Carter was, is, and will be a moron till he dies. The effects he had on the economy where extreme in the context that it is normally seen that a president has little effect on the economy.

But Bush is up there, imo.

Eisenhower, and Grant, both very bad president as well. Eisenhower was a drunk buffoon and Grant was drunk, and appointed his war/college buddies to every seat of power that existed.

FDR did his best to bankrupt our nation, did little to get us out of the Great Depression, and brought us into WWII, which according to our foreign policy for the past 100+ years, we should never have engaged in. He only joined after Hitler attacked Russia and our Military commanders guaranteed there was no way Hitler could defeat Russia, let alone a 2 front war.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 02:51 AM
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GWB

Well it how I feel

REAGAN

Closed down all the loony bins... Killed the property value in my city for five square miles because of the influx of crazy hobos. Prices have still not rebounded - there used to be a downtown LA where you could go and not get stabbed with hypo needles pre 80's.
So I was told by my very republican granny.

NIXON

Well...

HOOVER

Hoover hotels

Reagan



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 03:38 PM
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Clinton and obama, Im not old enough to know many others first hand.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 03:48 PM
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One word NONE

No other President has ever put the U.S. on the verge of bankrupcy, there has NEVER been another time in history, where the Global economy - due to the U.S. has also been on the verge of a World Wide Depression.

No other President - has taken the U.S.'s esteem and stature down as far as we are in the eyes of the rest of the world.

No other President - took a situation - where the world came to our door to help (after 9/11) and offered "Good Will" - but within ONE YEAR turned that "Good Will" into disdain and dislike.

We may have had other Presidents who had bad policies in various ways,
but we had NEVER had a President, basically spit on the rest of the world and the American people -saying "Screw you - I don't care what you think - I (the U.S) is going to do whatever I damn well please".

No other President - took our civil liberties away and shredded the constitution as Bush

NO, there has never been a Worst President than the one who just left office.




[edit on 31-1-2009 by questioningall]



posted on Feb, 1 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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I'd say at least half of the Presidents were worse than Bush. I'd say Bush is in the top 20 when it comes to Presidential rank.

Some of the more recent Presidents that rank below Bush....

JFK...just like Obama, JFK is being propped up by the media.

HW Bush....compromising with Democrats did him in. At least Bush learned from his fathers mistake.

Clinton....Can you imagine how bad he would have been if the Repubicans didn't take over Congress in 1994? His failure to respond to terrorist attacks (WTC 1993, and Cole attack, and others) led directly to 9/11.

Carter....THE worst President ever hands down.



posted on Feb, 1 2009 @ 05:01 PM
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I think that Carter is by far the worst president in my life time (50 years), with Johnson a close second.

I don't think think there is a redeming quality about Jimmy Carter, both personally and professionally. he was/is a complete failure.

Johnson because he took the giant leap down the road to socialism from which we have never retreated.

As for Bush, I don't think we will know for a long time. There is too much classified information that will need to come out prior to knowing. For example, if it is shown that there have been limited and or very marginal threats on the US from terrorists over the past 8 years, he will be viewed as a poor president. If on the other hand the information is released and we find out that we have foiled many serious attempts (I believe this will be the case) and he has kept us safe, he will be viewed more positively.

Iraq is another deal, if this war turns Iraq into a functioning democracy in the middle east, that could start the democratic dominoes falling in the mid east and if that occurs, Bush will be viewed and rightly so as one of our greatest presidents for sticking with it despite the opposition.

Too soon to tell for Bush.



posted on Feb, 1 2009 @ 05:04 PM
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Raz, you had it right.

Johnson was a dumbass, and Carter made Johnson look like a genius.

Folks talk about Bush, but let's wait a while. I think this new President make Bush look really good.

It's different sitting on the sidelines, making wild promises.

And he's already got problems.



posted on Feb, 1 2009 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by RRconservative

Carter....THE worst President ever hands down.



if you don't include ,REAGAN - Or BUSHII



posted on Feb, 1 2009 @ 05:11 PM
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I know I shouldn't feel the trolls....especially a troll with negative ATS points.......but

Reagan is easily in the top 5 best Presidents of all time.

Definately #1 in the last 50 years.



[edit on 1-2-2009 by RRconservative]



posted on Feb, 1 2009 @ 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by questioningall
NO, there has never been a Worst President than the one who just left office.


Then you may want to crack a book or two and read some history, instead of basing your judgements on what is on the MSM.

Carter sucked. That guy has the spine of a wet noodle. Gas lines, unemployment, high inflation, and that fat-ass of a brother, Billy.



posted on Feb, 1 2009 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by RRconservative
reply to post by The Bald Champion
 


I know I shouldn't feel the trolls....especially a troll with negative ATS points.......but

Reagan is easily in the top 5 best Presidents of all time.

Definately #1 in the last 50 years.



[edit on 1-2-2009 by RRconservative]


Ya he's the fellow who killed yer party by introducing and sanctioning new heights of unbridled greed...

Now that we have experienced REAGANS dream -

Maybe now we can achieve some balance?



posted on Feb, 1 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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Madison

Under his incompetence, the British burned down the White House and held a mock session of Congress dissolving the United States.

That's a pretty high bar to overcome for any successor.

[edit on 1-2-2009 by huckfinn]



posted on Feb, 1 2009 @ 07:35 PM
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I think we can all agree that our Presidents, after Washington, leaves a lot to be desired.

GWB's wagon had the wheels fall off the last couple of years of his Presidency. Carter, LBJ, Roosevelt, Truman, Lincoln, Grant, and a host of others would fall into the "turd" classification.

The only reason JFK isn't among them is because he got killed. He was a failure as a President too.

But speeches? Great speeches.

Unfortunately, great speeches don't get it done.



posted on Feb, 1 2009 @ 07:37 PM
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all of them since the 1st fraud perpetrated on liberty's door. And we all know that was the new deal after the depression, which was caused by the fraud basicly. Am i right?



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