Did the U.S. actually lose WW2???

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posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 10:57 AM
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I wasn't sure where to post this exactly, and I know that we actually won the war but.... It seems to me that since the war had ended and the nation of Israel was created America started going downhill slowly for decades. With the way the economic situation is here now with all bailouts for rich bankers and auto companies it just goes to show how we've lost all value as a "normal citizen" and soon we the people will not have the power to overthrow our government like our Constitution says WE NEED TO DO!!!
This thread is basically just a question to average joe asking what your opinions about the state of the U.S. was like gradually after WW2 and if it affected the outcome of how bad things have become today here, don't want a flame war just looking for honest opinions....




posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:03 AM
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This is interesting outside the box thinking for sure.
We stopped the agressors of Italy, Germany and Japan so 3-0 US but there is something interesting about the making the dollar the world standard and then Nixon seperating gold from the dollar. If you have read the Art of War at all you can appreciate that sometimes things happen over time for a reason yet are hardly noticed because of the timespan. Maybe look into Bretton Woods?



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:03 AM
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Yes, they did.

The Russians won.

If they hadn't won, the USSR would have never existed.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:10 AM
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I haven't read into it really, it's been from my own observations basically but it's something worth looking into I think... We may have won the war from the outside but the question is has the outcome slowly destroyed us from the inside?



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:17 AM
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I have wondering the same thing. I mean we have the bushs who's family was convicted of trading of the enemy and supporting the NAZI war engine. And yet two of them made it to president. Often I have thought that if we lost that war the best thing to do would be to tell the people they won. Give them the illusion of victory as you re-make the conquered nation into what you want it to be.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:23 AM
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I was taught in HS that if Germany had won the war everyone would be speaking German in the U.S., I personally don't think that would have been the case it would be nice to see the alternate reality of the situation but we're stuck here in the reality that the government have given to us....



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:32 AM
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i would say the usa and the ussr both came out as victors in ww2 but one could argue that russia got the most out of the victory, therefore putting the ussr in 1st place the u.s in 2nd place.

another question could be did the u.s really win the cold war? i think we did but, using the ops line of thinking and this being a conspiracy board, who knows?



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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You think it is still possible to overthrow the government? Just look at the people today (even those that make up the government), every action we make is controlled by fear and fear is the only thing that stops the world from being at peace. Do you think No. 1 a bunch of scared sheeple are ever gonna attempt to overthrow anything and No. 2 the government that needs to be overthrown is going to let anyone even come close to harming it if they can help it? This is the exact reason they want a NWO, so that everyone is under the control of one government which cannot be overthrown.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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I know what you mean, but I don't think the reason we can't overthrow our government is because of fear... I believe that it's the lack of overall education in this country, from 200 yrs ago till about 50 yrs ago most people in the U.S. were well educated and articulate... I think this was the overall plan to turn us into zombies so we wouldn't have the collective thought of making things right..... Even sooo Zombies can be very troublesome also haha



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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a common phrase among british people disenfranchised with the state is "Nazi's lost the war but won the peace" - the meaning being that in fighting a war against the Nazi's we had to learn their tactics, etc and after the war we adopted more and more of their national socialism and control methods.

meh, there are those that say the british empire has always been evil (most genosides ever, fought wars with almost every nation on earth for example) and the populist uprising of national socialism was a good thing which the ptb quickly did everything they could to ruin (royalists and old empireists doing most of the bad things then vanishing when things reach a head) etx

i for one think they were both evil, power makes people evil -simple as, happened to Stalin, Mao, Hitler, The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family, the rothchilds and the bush dynasty. People who think they are in charge of everyone will inevitable make bad moves, fall prey to ego, naricissim and start thinking about 'the greater good'

life is just doomed to fail, sad but probably true.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:54 AM
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this is opinion only, but my take is we did win the war with the German Army, but the Nazis were brought to countries where they could continue their evil work for the Illuminati. The fourth Reich is being built right now, and will soon spread all over the world, if we let it happen this way. We as a world community must band together to fight this, for is we fail, they will march all over us.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 02:39 PM
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I have thought this very same opinion for some time now. Not just that we lost but we entered into economic slavery that was what kept us in place and subservient to British interests. Hitler stood against the insane banking systems, so he was branded anti-semitic for his hatred of jews and disregarded for his argument against the banking systems that he stood against that were forcing Germany to suffer in a similar way the South in the US did under reconstruction. They were alrady subservient to British banking interests and were the enemy of slavery induced monetary capitalism. The same arguments though never went away they just went to sleep and every attempt to revive the anti-monetary system usually provokes taunts of anti-semitism and or racism, hence our election of Obama to repudiate the anti-semitic and racist anti-monetary systems arguments, they are desperate to paint opponents as advocates of racism and linking them to Hitler, not to the merits of the arguments which are being blacklisted in the MSM press and the attack on libertarianism which maybe wrongfully blamed for the economic crash, which actually has been contrived by the same interests that want to shut down a freedom movement for good by setting the government up as the savior. When in fact they have perptrated the collapse in an attempt to maintain power over our lives and continue the banking assault on freedom by controlling the energy of society.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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I didn't really even want to go there because then I'll start getting blacklisted for anti semitism if I even touched on the subject... I too have heard a similar story as you've described and I think there has to be some truth behind it. Follow the paper trail to find out who is behind this economic disaster and most people would know... Although there are a lot here on ATS who would refuse to believe it.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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Early in the 1950s, western Europe became anti American. They put up with us to protect them during the cold war. After the cold war ended they stopped the pretense of friendship. Now they are under the thumb of Russia and the Muslims.
Russia just has to turn off their gas supplies and the Muslims will riot in the streets if they don't get what they want.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 05:27 PM
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Yeah, as someone said above, if there was a country we could say "won" ww2, that would be Russia without any doubt.

That people is always centered on how the U.S teaches history as opposed to how it really happened is another thing...

Link about this:

wiki.answers.com...



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posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 05:33 PM
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To be honest, nobody ever really wins a war. Everybody loses.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 05:40 PM
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Irrespective of the win/loss the real story here is how Germany tried to subjugate the world into its tyranny and control and was summarily smashed into oblivion by the rest of the world......the USA hasn't learn't anything from this little history lesson.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 05:43 PM
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Ya we lost WWII. Were all typing in Japaneese and in German and its just our eyes and ears translate it all to english and translate what we see when we look at the American Flag. The two atomc bombs we dropped on Japan to end the war was just fireworks because they like fireworks.




Cheers!!!!



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 05:45 PM
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This is an interesting thought.
However its been going down hill since long before WWII.
I guess you could say that was a sort of catalyst that set a few things rolling to quicken the decline.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Good answer written below all that garbage.



In regards to Japan, the United States can decisively be accredited to winning World War Two. Their "island hopping" campaigns in the South Pacific were nothing short of brilliant. Nevertheless, Japan would have been defeated with or without two nuclear bombs dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima in 1945.

And likewise, Britain and France acting together, could not have carried out Operation Overlord or the 1944 D-Day landings without the United States. America was vital to Europe's success due to its financial contributions by means of Lend-Lease. Much of Europe lay in ruins and was in effect, financially bankrupt. The United States contributed over 16 million troops during the war, only second to Russia. And from 1943 and onwards, most campaigns on the western front were all American led under Dwight D. Eisenhower.

The European Theatre of World War Two and its victory can be attributed to an all Allied effort, with the United States contributing no more or no less than other participating countries. In a military point of view, the Russians bore the brunt of Allied fighting and as a consequence, received the most casualties. The Red Army was extremely instrumental in Germany's defeat.

The Pacific Theatre of World War Two and its victory can be 100% attributed to the United States.


Notice no mention of North Africa or the Italian campaign and while the US was only the second largest power fighting in Europe all the other theaters of battles going on during WWII are not mentioned.

So when you combine all the US contributed during WWII yeah you can say the US was a Major Player not as mentioned in this farce as no more or no less than any other country.

Nice but WWII Was not just in Europe stop trying to rewrite history


If you remove all the support the US provided not just in manpower then the story really comes to light.

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Lend-Lease (Public Law 77-11)[1] was the name of the program under which the United States of America supplied the United Kingdom, the Soviet Union, China, France and other Allied nations with vast amounts of war material between 1941 and 1945 in return for, in the case of Britain, military bases in Newfoundland, Bermuda, and the British West Indies. It began in March 1941, over 18 months after the outbreak of the war in September 1939.

A total of $50.1 billion (equivalent to nearly $700 billion at 2007 prices) worth of supplies were shipped: $31.4 billion to Britain, $11.3 billion to the Soviet Union, $3.2 billion to France and $1.6 billion to China. Reverse Lend Lease comprised services (like rent on air bases) that went to the U.S. It totaled $7.8 billion, of which $6.8 billion came from the British and the Commonwealth. Apart from that, there were no repayments of supplies that arrived before the termination date, the terms of the agreement providing for their return or destruction. (Supplies after that date were sold to Britain at a discount, for £1,075 million, using long-term loans from the U.S.) Canada operated a similar program that sent $4.7 billion in supplies to Britain and Soviet Union.[2]






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