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How is the current depression different than the great depression?

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posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 11:28 PM
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I've been talking to people about the current depression and how bad things are going to get but they don't seem too concerned. They are not aware of the real situation because they believe what the TV tells them; they think it will be rough for a while but things will pick up soon. A response I get a lot is "Well we've had other depressions, just look at the great depression, they made it out ok".

I try to explain that this situation is much different; in the 30's America still made a lot of its own products and could sustain itself, we didn't rely on the rest of the world for just about everything. Our infrastructure is much more consumer based than it was then. Other countries have been making more efficient and reliable products such as vehicles and electronics, and a lot of our jobs have been outsourced to them. All this time we have been buying their stuff with an falsely inflated currency that's not backed by anything.

Now that things are coming crashing back to reality, the economy cannot sustain the astronomical debt we have incurred and all these billions and billions of dollars being handed out are making the financial hole much deeper. When inflation inevitably hits, other countries will not want our dollars and they wont sell us their stuff anymore. What will we do then when we can't afford to buy stuff from other countries and we can't make it ourselves? IF we make it through this, the USA cannot possibly go back to being as inefficient as it has been, its going to take years to establish a successful economic infrastructure and government again.

I want to tell them about the plan for the NWO and other conspiracies but I don't want to put them off too much...I feel like I have to ease them into it


I just cant get them to understand though! I want to help the people I care about. Can you guys provide some other reasons why the US is in for a much greater crisis than the great depression?

Thanks and good luck to all of you!



[edit on 18-1-2009 by Sagrado]

[edit on 18-1-2009 by Sagrado]




posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 11:42 PM
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If you want to really understand the current depression, I believe you should look at the fall of the Roman Empire. Contrary to popular belief, the fall of the Roman Empire was the beginning of the greatest depression ever known to mankind.

Like the US, the Romans depended on provinces and conquered territory to supply them with their needs. Like the US, the Romans were unable to win wars abroad. They couldn't even successfully invade anyone anymore.

Notice how the US has become a lot more religious these past years? Same for the Romans.

Like with the fall of the Roman Empire, this may very well lead to a depression that will last centuries. At least decades. I believe that those who will rise up out of this depression will be the corporations. Forget nations, we will soon live within a corporate world. If you haven't seen it, watch John Cusak's marvelous "War Inc."



posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 11:53 PM
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you arn't in the depression yet, things will get a lot worse before they will even look like they are getting better.
People where spread out further during the great depression and family ties where a lot closer, neighbours talked to each other and people knew how to cook 1 piece of meat 57 different ways.
Now no one talks to family, neighbours don't trust one another and we have lost the art of cooking, leftovers where a meal. now they are tossed out in the trash.
People are not self reliant anymore and most people would prefere a flower garden maintained by a gardener than having a veggie patch out the back.
as the crime rises and the riots start you will know the depression is starting to hit.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 12:04 AM
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We can't recover our job market from a current Great Depression because we can't compete with other country's wages.

How can someone who works for $5.25 an hour minimum wage compete against someone in China who makes $3 a day for doing the same job?



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 02:08 AM
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1. We cannot make people wake up until they are ready. Just be prepared when they do wake up we (that seen this coming) will have to defend ourselves against those in a panic because they didn’t stock up.
2. We are in the beginning stages of The Great Depression (This one will make the last one look like fun)
3. We cannot recover our lost job market and we cannot repay our debt.
4. The fall of America does mirror the fall of Rome.

With all that being said, America as we knew it growing up is gone and it is gone forever. I mourn those sweet innocent days. But our world is changing and life isn’t going to be so easy for us or our poor children anymore. We will start growing our own food and we will learn to survive. Those who refuse to adapt will perish, I do not mean to sound cold or jaded but there is no easy way to say it. We will have to start leaning on neighbors’ and family again to survive. We will also have to fight some of our neighbors’ and family to survive, because when they wake up it isn’t going to be pretty. The people who accept this now and start preparing will adjust better than those that refuse to or cannot see what we are facing. I think it will be in our future to see peace and prosperity again but probably not as the United States of America. There will be a massive change in government and that is ok what ever will be will be. Just hold fast and God speed.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 09:46 AM
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This recession hasn't gone on long enough to be called a depression yet. We're 13 months into this economic contraction. The bottom of the great depression wasn't until until 3-4 years after their September '29 market crash, around July '33. There wasn't real pain in January '30.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Sagrado
How is the current depression different than the great depression?

Easy. WE ARE NOT IN A DEPRESSION. That's how it's different.

We are experiencing a plunge in the economy because the Bildebergers decided it was necessary in order to manipulate the economics and markets juuuuuuuuuust the way they want them.

Notice that socialism has been introduced and accepted due to this economy - which is what the Bildebergers wanted. Bailouts. BAH!



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 10:06 AM
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Well I think this depression is different for the day and age. Before when TPTB manipulated the markets for personal corporate gain they could get away with it. In todays world the digital finger print makes enterprise corruption much harder to get away with.

The legion of anon will find out and rat them out.

After that happens we will still have a worthless economy but we will also have a pissed mad citizenry that will insist upon change (And I aint talking about obama). What we have in this day and age is the ability for the first time to catch the corporate crooks with their hands in the cookie jar. It wont stop them from stealing the cookies but they might just get their hands chopped off for the crime.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 10:08 AM
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I have one question when the depression hits will the nation be forced to go into a war to get themselves out of it? My sociology teacher talked about the great Depression one day in class and said one thing different than back then is that we went to War. When we went to war, men were shipped overseas and women were put into factories - leaving the jobless rate close to 0% (I think she did say it was 0% but I'm not to sure if one could say it was 100% - 0%).

Though for the most part I don't think we've hit it yet.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 10:09 AM
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lets stay along your premise that we are in a depression and for all practical purposes lets say we are at the start of a New Great Depression. People are use to going to the store and buying food that is hand to mouth.

During the Great Depression most of the country lived on farms grew their own crops and raised their own cattle, sheep, goats, hogs, chickens, ducks etc. There lies the biggest problem when food and the distribution of food becomes scarce civil unrest will take place in this Great Nation provided to us by the toil, sweat, tears and blood of our forefathers and mothers. Many spoiled people will have melt downs and will not be able to handle the pressure of basic survival.

Most Americans do not mind sharing food and shelter with those that are in need but for those who steal or out right take property and food this is a different story. A desperate Nation will do desperate things.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 10:11 AM
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It isn't.

Are you on the streets? Are you lined up at a soup kitchen? Are you picking fruit, with your higher education? Are you eating lard sandwiches?

This plunge was facilitated by some bad regulations. You can prove this out by the fact that Canada did not plunge the same way, and had resisted the same regulations that caused the credit crunch.

The only way that the two are simliar is that the stock crash did not have to occur. The wily nily ridiculous lemming sell off causing stocks to plunge did not have to happen. This was neither market driven, nor was it government driven. This was pure stock investors gettting their panties in a knot and acting in ways that are not logical.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 01:53 PM
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A desperate Nation will do desperate things.

Back anyone into a corner and the survival instinct will kick in. I see myself as a peaceful human but I can see myself doing what is nessesary for survival.

I see many people on this thread are still "asleep", no we aren't in soup lines or eating lard yet. But we have safeguards today that wasn't available in the 30's like foodstamps, unemployment, ect...... When the government runs out of resources as such that is when we will start the going hungry thing. What is becoming relevant is the loss of quality health care to the masses. People are showing up at clinics and ER rooms because they cannot afford a Dr visit or medicine. They have lost thier jobs and health care and the govt isnt kicking in to help. Most of these people have never been without in the past they where probably middle class working folks that never needed assistance. Like I said this is the begining stages of The Great Depression we still have a ways to go to a full flegged "OH *S#!*#!T" moment.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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The biggest difference between the 1930's and the 2000's is the fact that then, 80% of the population either lived on a farm, or produced their own food.

Now 2% grow the food for the other 98%.

Also 90% of Americans live in cities now.


So when the grocery store ain't stocked, you better be ready for some serious caca.
Like you better have a good plan, because I've said it before, hungry people are no different than zombies, and they will kill you for your foods afrin safe during pregnancy, they will kill your kids for your food.


A lot of guns isn't what you need, you need a few guns and lots of ammo. And lots of beans, rice, seeds, water, and the ability to produce electric power will be priceless. Medical supplies, medical knowledge, drugs, tools, dogs, and family and friends trained in combat.

Good luck..........



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:08 PM
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Technically, we aren't in a depression yet. Only a recession. A depression, however, is inevitable.

When we hit a depression, people nowadays are too used to having all their little TVs, iPods, cell phones, doo-dads and gizmos. They never have grown their own food or provide for themselves, nor do they have the know-how or resources to do so. Lastly, they think that they are entitled to have a lot. They think that living in luxury is just a given for them. When (not if, but when) the economy finally goes fully under they will make desperate attempts to get what they want.

I'm only 16, and personally I'd rather live through the 1930s depression than the coming 2009/2010 one.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:17 PM
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Regarding the urban/rural ratios...

Most of the sources I've looked at show that the 1920s were actually the first time urban-dwellers became the majority in the US. I've heard it repeated a lot (here and elsewhere) that during the 1920s most people grew their own food, but that doesn't seem to be the case. These figures show 1920 itself as the year the majority went urban. And, of course, there wasn't a suburban sprawl in the 1920s like there is now, so 'urban' was really 'urban.'

(That site has a ton of categories to sort for, by the way. Good stuff.)



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:39 PM
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I'm in my early 40's. My grandparents who were born in 1912 went through the depression and since I was raised by them, they taught me how to be frugal by living frugally. They grew all their vegetables and canned them. Never once did I see a store bought can of vegies in their house. They had two cherry trees and an apple tree. They made good use of those. No food was ever thrown out---ever. Granny made use of everything. Papaw fished and hunted and they both tended to the garden.
My granny always told me how hard times were back then and to be thankful for what we did have. They were both dirt poor to begin with.

At sixteen, she had to pick strawberries at 2 cents a flat in order to buy herself a pair of shoes because she didn't have any.

I learned a valuable lesson from them.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 11:49 PM
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can you imagine what is going to be like when junior can't get the latset computer game or brand name jeans?

I was taught to get used to being able to make do with what you have.
Those that will be better prepared are not the middle class but the welfare class, the middle class have come to expect a certain standard of living, welfare can't drop much more.



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 10:34 AM
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My eyes aren't closed - my eyes don't seen what isn't there.

You washing your clothes in a warm house? You WASHING your clothing? You OWN enough clothing? You don't take off your one set of clothing at the end of the day and wash it in cold water and then put it up and hope it dries by tomorrow?

You have the tech to get at resources. You have an eduated populace.

If you think that this is even VAGUELY close to a depression you need a serious reality check.



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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No, we aren't in a depression yet. People collect unemployment, welfare, keep government jobs, and expect a safety net many layers deep. The loss of construction jobs was hardly noticed because the aliens went home. (can't call them illegal, they weren't treated as such)

It will take longer to unwind than in the 30's.
The pressure on government will increase until most states and the Federal Government will follow the example of California and renege on commitments.

Then we will begin to see signs of a real depression.

We will begin to see what people's character is really like. Many will band together and demonstrate the kind of altruistic spirit demonstrated during Katrina and other disasters. When that proves inadequate and the system is overwhelmed, people will lose patience. When Obama and Team can't make it all better, society will really begin to unravel. Then it will be necessary to declare martial law and round up what proves to be a criminal element. Much of the criminal element will justify their behavior and try to fight against what ever measures are justified.

This will set the stage for Demagogues, who will appeal to the rabble and will try turn the focus onto scapegoats. We will begin to see what a real "Antichrist" looks like and wish for reasonable leaders, but it will be too late.

We likely will see despotism in a religious garb that will blame Gays, liberals, Pagans, and minority religious groups for the collapse. Instead of defusing the worst elements of society and standing for principles, liberals will try to keep acting like liberals.

Judging from what happened in the French Revolution, Russia, Cambodia, and Nazi Germany, wealthy, religious, educated - better classes will be targeted.

Where will the Illuminati/(pick your favorite conspiracy...) fit in all this?
You figure it out... Don't expect clear black and white answers then as now...



posted on Jan, 20 2009 @ 08:11 PM
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Aeons,
You are right. We aren’t wearing one set of clothes and drying them in a cold house... YET. Most people today have 15 to 20 sets of clothes. In the 30's the average American had 3 to 4 sets of clothes and they were much more expensive than they are today (in relation to income) because we now have mass production. So when jobs were lost after a year or so the 3-4 sets of clothes were worn out. Not all people had land and gardens but many more had this in the 30's than they do today. Unless you live in a rural area how many people do you know have the means to be self sustained (a well, a barn with animals, a good garden area that can be rotated to preserve the soils integrity, bee hives for honey, chicken coupe and chickens? Not to mention the knowledge of harvesting the produce and animals for viable food. Today there are many differences between the Great Depression of the 30's and the Great Depression we are headed for. One bib difference is that our food is now mass produced as stated above the average Joe will find it difficult to survive. Another difference is the population; there is a heck of a lot more people today than there was in the 30's making demand of resources just a little higher. I could go on and on but you all get the general idea.



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