Good Day Al, Et Al,
reply to post by Topol-M
Just in case you're not aware AL, I too sent you a U2U--check your "in box."
First and foremost I'd like to thank you for coming forward, as your information, is most important, not only on its face, but because of your
position as the source.
I will try to address some issues and make some observations, and ask some questions etc:
What "all" would precipitate an "alert klaxon" sounding?
Your account is interesting on many levels; however, one in particular is the timing; most "craft witnesses" were in the "eight o'clock
hour";this is not to say that there weren't any in the "ten o'clock hour" (that weren't of flares), such as pilot Trig Johnston; his report is
Information is lacking for that time period, so your information is encouraging!
Because of the sheer amount of public scrutiny, focusing on the "flares" video and photos allowed for a convenient and plausible explanation. Few in
the mainstream press talked about the "other" sightings that night, focusing on the large triangular craft that had passed over the Phoenix metro
area, the outskirts of Tucson, and over Fort Huachuca before slipping in to Mexico.
The media "by there own admission" is a "visual animal," i.e., video trumps audio, and or anecdotes every time!
What occurred in the days that followed the event, and still to this day were many accounts from "eight o'clock" witnesses of "the craft" melded
with the "ten o'clock flare video."
Ufologists for over a decade now have tried (in vain) to make that distinction to the media.
MUFON's investigator Richard Motzer was the first to notice the anomaly, he realized almost immediately, that although he was the recipient of what
would later be established as "flare videos," there was a major discrepancy in the ratio of witnesses to the "large V-shaped craft" and the
dropping of the flares. After the initial investigation he found out why--the majority of people on the valley floor could not see the flares "behind
Many people "assume" that there are/were more witnesses to the "flare event," when in fact it's just the opposite by a long shot!
Separately, because of the efforts of a few of us to keep the event "alive," we have come across additional witnesses; for example we now have
witness(es) (a TV news producer) as far south as Yuma, who reported the "large V-shaped craft moving in a "southwesterly direction," skirting the
border between California and Mexico.
What time did you go on duty that day?
Kidflash, you wrote;
Occam's Razor: The military flares disappearing behind the mountains is the best explanation. More information is needed on the alleged earlier
You've invoked Occam's Razor, yet you've limited its parameters to "human explication"; given the subject matter methinks you need to broaden the
That said, in regards to the "flare videos," it's not just the "best explanation" by default of "Occam's Razor, they has been analyzed using
scientific method, as well as conventional investigative research, and the evidence is "conclusive" that the videos in question are indeed flares.
As to why there are no "videos of the "eight o'clock craft" . . . the short answer is "there are! Contrarily, the reason there aren't any in the
public domain is because the craft was "low and slow" and enormous in size.
Most "eight o'clock witnesses will tell you that they were mesmerized! That they "didn't move!" They couldn't believe there eyes! They were
frozen! Given the low altitude the average person's observation time was less then two minutes, and don't forget that this was before "cell phone
In regards to conventional craft: although I personally leave that on the table, the preponderance of evidence suggests otherwise; first, there is no
evidence that we have anything resembling what was described on March 13th, 1997 over Arizona, as well as the other "large V-shaped craft" sightings
across the country in the entire month of March that year.
Remember too, that there is more to the event then just a sighting of a "super large V-shaped craft." There were "orb sightings," "vanishings,"
"visual distortions" around the craft(s) etc. Accordingly, "flying" a "top secret craft" that low over a populated area and in close proximity
to civilian airports etc., doesn't seem prudent for such a vehicle and or program . . . not to mention being illegal.
Finally, and although I'm hesitant to repeat it, there was in fact a "psychic connection" with many of the witnesses; oddly one thing that was
"missing" with every witness I'm aware of, was the emotion of "fear." Conversely, a sense of "wonderment" was in it's place. Also, some
reported a sense of "communication with the object." I might add that these reports didn't come from "drunks on the park bench," but from very
P.S. Almost forgot, the "Procter video" (grainy v-formation) in my view is of the A-10's from MANG also seen by Mitch Stanley.
[edit on 25-1-2009 by Frank Warren]