Obama to crowds: 'I love you back'

I don't think the forefathers, when trying to establish the republic, ever thought that private business would exert as much control over legislation and gov't workings in general by exploiting loopholes in the laws and constitution. I for one wouldn't mind seeing a "revamp" if you will, to close those loopholes and hopefully burn out the tentacles of private corporations from this once great nation. Make no mistake, I beleive that every group, business , industry has as much right to th ear of thier representative but it has come to the point that the common people are ignored for the betterment of a financial bottom line that is being pushed as a nation-ending economy.

I feel that the most important issues of our times are the humanization of Corporations.

Through allowing Corporations to take on rights granted initially to individuals, you allow them incredible power and sway over the direction this country takes... and enable that direction towards greed, gluttony and self-servers everywhere.

It also enables Corporations and other organizations to own Patents, which previously should have been held only by individuals.

One should also realize that without lending individual rights to groups and organizations, the GOP and the DNC would not be so blatantly abusive of the system and we would have our third, fourth and fifth parties.

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Evolve into what???? Hitler's Germany? People waiting in line for 15.00 a loaf bread. No what we need to do is remember where we came from and quit reading things into that document that are not there.

I think Obama's idea of ideology and small thinking is the idea of gun ownership. He wants Americans to declare independence from their guns (or he'll do it for them).

If we do get an actual new DoI, I'm sure it will be full of all kinds of lovey dovey, soft fluffy bunny stuff.

Peace

Concerning myself solely with the text of his speech, it seems to me that he is indicating that *everyone* should start working together. The partisan plans of everybody from corporations right down individuals has taken priority over "society".

Inevitably, society is a product of compromise and in these times we see compromise all over the world that has reached unjust levels of distortion such that the predominant impetus created is irrelevant to the solution of our problems.

The dogmatic response is one of personal concern, yes, obviously very high on the agenda. However, in these desperate times each of us has to rise above our own issues and fight for the cause of the *people*.

I believe that this is what Obama is alluding to.

Either we start fighting as one, or we all lose out. This requires faith, faith in the leadership that Obama may represent. As a European I have to say that Obama is the best thing to happen to America in decades.

I believe that Obama can consolidate America, make it one again, in the process provide a template for change that will hopefully encompass Europe and beyond.

We need to accept that the big picture is just that... bigger than each and every one of us and our own hopes and fears. Obama is the man to do it, not without trial and tribulation for sure - I never heard this kind of speech during the Bush years so I'm willing to believe until (if/when) I am proven wrong.

This is a scary moment. I mean, if Bush said this in a speech the MSM would be up in arms anytime in the last 8 years. This is the first step towards socialism and it was represented many times in his platform. This is the NWO that you do not want.

Share the wealth, spread it around...do you remember these statements during the campaign.

In the early 30's another man rose to power by using the poor or disenfranchised. He spoke to the common man and the common man rose up to create one of the most evil movements the world has seen in the last few centuries. He made promise after promise and the mainly lower to middle class at the time bought it. His name was Hitler. People followed him blindly and once he was in power he turned on many of those who put him in power.

Now, am I saying the Obama is Hitler, no, but the similarity to a movement is what is striking. Millions following someone who is promising change.

First thing he should have done was call for a smaller inauguration during a time when so many are unemployed, the banking system is crashing around us and US is basically in a free fall. Instead we are going to spend another 200-250 million that could have gone to education or providing emergency healthcare to the millions of homeless kids in america.

Hope means to cherish a desire with anticipation. I do not want to Change my country and my rights, I only want to CHANGE my government.

Comrads, the last thing the USA needs is a "New" Declaration of Independence.

In the first case, if you got rid of the First and Original "Declaration of Independence" you just made it possible for it to happen many more times in the future, as your government deems.

So, if you let the government create a "New" Declaration of Independence, you are opening a Pandoras Box. Once they get away with making a "NEW" Declaration of Independence, then that sets a "NEW PRECIDENCE IN LAW" and they can do it over and over and over again, and really F you over.

Oh yeh, sure, the first "NEW" Declaration of Independence would be full of sugar and spice and everything nice, and then a year later down the road, every Right you ever had, can be wiped clean with a "NEWER" Declaration of Independence. The Grass always looks Greener on the Other side of the Fence; but we all know its been poisoned.

Obama, whooed those who like cheering and crying. I here most of it in the press and i am eager to see action so will give yaz a year but the bets are in on most people saying the "f" with obama.

What I would like to see (And what will never happen) is Obama or someone put forward that all Copyright extensions are illegal, and that copyright will NEVER be held for longer than twenty years...

And then apply it retroactively.

Do this, and overhaul the patent system, and make it illegal for Corporations to own EITHER, and you would likely be shocked into silence by how much change and progress happens because of what gets into the Public sector.

I agree with another poster... I don't want my human rights, the Declaration or the Constitution changed. I want the Government ousted and replaced with people who care less about their individual constituents and more about the country as a whole... people who are looking at the future, not whatever lobbying party has their ear at any given time.

Originally posted by wayno

new Declaration of Independence in our Nation from ideology and small thinking

Independence from ideology -- like considering what works instead of whether its Republican vs Democrat/ conservative vs/ liberal?
and small thinking -- like spending money on pork to make a few constituents happy even tho it does no-one else any good, or everyday people thinking about the price of gas at the pump instead of the bigger cost to our security and independence as a result of our dependence on fossil fuels ?

Geez, I think there is more than a little room for greater independence from ideology and small thinking.
He is actually re-framing some of the problems to make them more solvable. Good for him.

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Right on!

I could not have said it better myself.

To the OP, the declaration is a piece of paper in which the united stated declared its independence from england. Obama is suggesting in a metaphoric way that we , declare independence from labels, small thinking and ideologies.

He is right to. If the world ever wants to be peacefull, we would have to stop worrying about democrat/republican, left/right/ black/white big/small skinny/fat tall/short/ east/west, north/south etc....

as Wayno said, He was reframing the problem to make it easier for us to solve. Nothing more nothing less.

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At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results, and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished, asked him directly: "Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" "A republic if you can keep it" responded Franklin.

www.house.gov...

A Republic by the People for the People. Sounds familiar doesn't it? Look at how Rome prospered before Caesar.

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some people are incredibly obtuse.
unbelievable..i'll chalk it up to deep-seated fear.

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Which Ceasar do you speak of?


There were many.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of George W. Bush is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States.

I do not want to declare anything else that our original DOI did not state. That is what the constitution is for. With the House and Senate as they are this is scary talk.

I do not need to change, nor does my country in it's core beliefs. Politicians need to change and that is why we have the right to bear arms to change our leaders if we as citizens see fit. I do not need another politician telling me I need to sacrifice , such as paying higher taxes, to bring forth and enable the spending he wants to provide to those who are not out to help themselves but simply get their Obama check.

When will people realize there is no such thing as a stimulus check to someone who works and pays taxes? You only get to have back some of the taxes you paid and you get to supply those who do not work and pay taxes the ability to spend some free money. People on subsidy or single mothers/fathers with multiple kids. Those who want the Obama check.

Remember how in 2006 Pelosi and crew made all those promises? Well, guess who is there now. In a few years, when the military is gutted, oil is skyrocketing and unemployment is still prevalent when there are no tax cuts to small businesses who will be to blame? That's right, the prior administration for leaving the mess.....

We don't need anyone putting their hands on our Declaration of Independance or making new changes to ANYTHING in it.


What we need is a politician with the courage, the honor and the conviction to take the Declaration of Independance that we already have and actually adhere to it, enforce it and abide by it's principles.


That would be a great start.



Not even one day served in office yet and this is the crap we are already getting. Keep your damn hands off of the Constitution, Barry

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Amen to that. I am all for Ron Paul. Seems like he is the only one that speaks up for us. Too bad people didn't vote enough for him. Had they, there just may have been a different man running in the primaries.

keep pelosi and congress away from any new declaration of independence....

the last thing we need is for america to be a concentration camp...

we'll see if obama in the whitehouse was a good thing or bad thing very soon...i like some of his logic...but i disagree with revolutionary changes so fast- hes not even president yet for another 12 hours!

Originally posted by TheColdDragon
What I would like to see (And what will never happen) is Obama or someone put forward that all Copyright extensions are illegal, and that copyright will NEVER be held for longer than twenty years...

And then apply it retroactively.

Do this, and overhaul the patent system, and make it illegal for Corporations to own EITHER, and you would likely be shocked into silence by how much change and progress happens because of what gets into the Public sector.

Your confused you want to sample rappers and see how they like being plagarized

I agree with another poster... I don't want my human rights, the Declaration or the Constitution changed. I want the Government ousted and replaced with people who care less about their individual constituents and more about the country as a whole... people who are looking at the future, not whatever lobbying party has their ear at any given time.

Both you and Obama live in a dream world. why do you let him fill your head with that junk. Don't you see the people who have caused the 11tril defecit standing with Obama they're all smiling at you because you are the fool they have been waiting for. Sorry to break your hopes but that 7b dollar loss down wall st for the first few weeks of the year, coupled with the blackest jan 20th they've ever seen there, looks like there is lies a plenty to go around.

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