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Israel Announces A Ceasefire On Gaza

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posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 09:49 AM
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Now Israel will occupy Gaza, and slowly but steadily wipe out Hamas. This is the only solution. Wipe out the extremists where ever they pop up their heads, and do so without mercy. The West Bank is slowly transitioning to a workable situation. Once Hamas is gone, there is no reason why peace can not also be established in Gaza.

Once the oil is gone, the Middle East with its overgrown population will become very desperate. Israel offers the one thing that the people of the Middle East need more than anything, and that is technological prowess. In the fifty years that the Middle Eastern nations have enjoyed tremendous wealth from their oil resources, they have done nothing to develop industrially or technologically. Extremist religion and economic capability seem to be incompatible. After the oil is gone, the smart money in the Middle East will turn to Israel as their salvation.

Hamas started this war because they began to face the fact that Palestinians need Israel for economic survival. Israels create the jobs that Palestinians need. Making money wins out over religious extremism. The Palestinians who get jobs in Israel slowly face the reality that Israel is good for them, and then they start turning away from religious extremism.




posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by JanusFIN
 


A ceasefire eh?, for the full 24 hours or will they cut it short.


Like the last ceasefire they will abide by it,israel is the one who broke the last one on november 4th.Hamas abiding by that took courage and will power for the simple fact israel still controlled all their borders,were still occupying their land,sea and air.Any other country this happened to would have a right to wage war against israel.I'd like to know what you would do if China controlled all america's borders,sea and air,check points and occupied your land..thats right you would be branded a terrorist for fighting back



posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 10:09 AM
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China would occupy the U.S. if they could, just like they now occupy Tibet. You don't understand anything about the world. The difference being that instead of spending all of our time praying to God, or nursing old wounds, we attend to business. The success of the U.S. comes from our ability to build things and develop new technologies. Therefore, we don't worry about any nations invading us. Our ability to be productive makes us the most powerful nation on the Earth.

Why spend your time teaching your children to hate those who can help you the most, when instead you could be learning a trade, science, and engineering, and then maybe someday your descends might explore the stars.

At some point in time, the people of Palestine have to learn to let bygones be bygones, and try and make the best of their current situation. This is the only way towards peace and progress.



posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Solomons
 


China would occupy the U.S. if they could, just like they now occupy Tibet. You don't understand anything about the world. The difference being that instead of spending all of our time praying to God, or nursing old wounds, we attend to business. The success of the U.S. comes from our ability to build things and develop new technologies. Therefore, we don't worry about any nations invading us. Our ability to be productive makes us the most powerful nation on the Earth.

Why spend your time teaching your children to hate those who can help you the most, when instead you could be learning a trade, science, and engineering, and then maybe someday your descends might explore the stars.

At some point in time, the people of Palestine have to learn to let bygones be bygones, and try and make the best of their current situation. This is the only way towards peace and progress.



bygones be bygones? Maybe if they let the people who won the election in free and democratic elections ie hamas run their own country,manage their own borders sea and land there wouldn't be much resentment.Right now they are treated like cattle in a pen.There wont be much peace when israel still occupies gaza and controls just about everything to do with it.



posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 10:19 AM
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I guess Israel figures President Rahm Emanuel is about to take over and fix things



posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 10:47 AM
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Maybe if the people of Gaza would wake up and elect a government that doesn't insist on continuing to fight a war they lost long ago, they wouldn't be a nation locked up in a prison. As long as they support terrorists murderers, then they should be locked up.

No one wants to live near a community that thinks it is alright to blow up people in the market square because their political demands are not being met.

Continuing to fight when you have lost is foolish, no matter how right you think you are.

MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, everyone is right, and everyone is wrong, and because of this, a lot of bad things were done that can never be undone, and the only answer is to move forward. To continue the fighting will only result in more and more very bad things happening, and that is not the solution.

Only after the fighting has stopped can the healing begin.


[edit on 18-1-2009 by poet1b]



posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 11:32 AM
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all that is happening is but a small step towards the bigger goal. The attrocities being committed are but a "peek" at what is yet to be. The Illuminati NEED a third world war to complete their goal of World Domination! All three wars were planned out back in the mid 1800's (approx. 1863) by the Freemasons,particularly, Albert Pike, and his cohorts. He not only laid out the plans to formulate these wars, but who the "players" should be. Both WW1 AND WWII went according to plan and now WWIII is on tract as well. Who are the "Players"? It is to be a War with Christians against the Muslims. We are all to be led like "Sheep to slaughter" when it is time to "cull the herd". In the meantime ,we will be "tagged and listed" like cattle and kept grazing on the "grindstone" of Life,too busy surviving to notice what's really goin down,too busy being distracted and swatting at "misquitoes" to notice the Africans Bees hovering around us waiting for the right moment and time to strike. So many sheep,so little time(2012)



posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 11:45 AM
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i really hope, the Ceasefire On Gaza will be respected, if not
there will be another war in Lebanon also and if this is the,
next scenario, soon after, we will see Syria and Iran getting probably
involved, and i don't want to think, where all this, will lead the world....



posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Solomons
 


China would occupy the U.S. if they could, just like they now occupy Tibet. You don't understand anything about the world. The difference being that instead of spending all of our time praying to God, or nursing old wounds, we attend to business. The success of the U.S. comes from our ability to build things and develop new technologies. Therefore, we don't worry about any nations invading us. Our ability to be productive makes us the most powerful nation on the Earth.

Why spend your time teaching your children to hate those who can help you the most, when instead you could be learning a trade, science, and engineering, and then maybe someday your descends might explore the stars.

At some point in time, the people of Palestine have to learn to let bygones be bygones, and try and make the best of their current situation. This is the only way towards peace and progress.


Consider this reply to be to several of your posts on this thread.

Here you suggest that YOU know all about the world Poet. Commenting on what differentiates the USA from the rest of the world. According to you Americans "take care of business" and it is our productive ability that separates us from the rest. According to you we are the most powerful nation on Earth because of our ability to be productive. I wonder if you have suddenly been thawed out from a freeze session that has lasted since Europeans discovered the Americas?

Our success is due to our resource dominance through violent aggression and arrogance. Once the indigenous population of the continent was death marched to camps it was easy for European man to develop due to finding a plethora of RESOURCES. Little that the New Americans did was innovative or original. Black powder from China along with numerous other innovations from around the globe shaped America.

If not for the once abundant resources in America the push west would have never happened at least to the extent that it did. The Gold Rush and Gold fever caused many of the young from the East to throw caution into the wind and take a chance. Once again RESOURCES rise to the top as the causality and reason for EVERYTHING.

By the time WW1 arrived the USA was filthy from burning COAL and to this day continues to burn coal. We learned that OIL was a more portable and better burning fuel but we would never be able to break from coal since the increase in available energy caused the population to explode. Demand rose faster then resource supplies.

Why go into WW1 with you since you will suggest that OIL (RESOURCES) had little to do with it? Most people realize that all wars are waged over resources but to get people to KILL generally requires an excuse like REVENGE or RELIGION.

Now, for the second time you talk about Israel's superior technology in relation to the other nations in the Mideast. The key to technology lies in RESOURCE availability! Making chips for Intel requires RESOURCES just like making UZI sub machine guns. The steel for those guns didn't come from Israel.

As RESOURCES deplete any technological edge will erode and once again he who has the edge has the resources. Israel has major issues with resources. Watch as they farm the rocks, there is poor topsoil. Israel is forced to desalinize water and that requires massive energy. Israel imports most things.

Those who are least dependent on technology will be the survivors as we watch the industrial age draw to a permanent close. Those that live in harmony with nature are not the ones that exploit its resources.



posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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We drift if we forget that Hamas is a proxy tool. Palestinian nationalism or whatever one could call it is but a mere mask behind a larger more hideous face.

Lets drift back to Saddam launching tactical long range missiles into Israel. Nobody has done that sort of thing since Adolf Hitler launched missiles into England.

These little "homemade" rockets indeed. Poor little Hamas patriots.

Now Hezbala uses real battle field missile systems and ball bearing packed explosive heads.

Hez and Ham work for the Arab Nationalist which are Jew haters, Arab Nazis.



posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Logarock
We drift if we forget that Hamas is a proxy tool. Palestinian nationalism or whatever one could call it is but a mere mask behind a larger more hideous face.

Lets drift back to Saddam launching tactical long range missiles into Israel. Nobody has done that sort of thing since Adolf Hitler launched missiles into England.

These little "homemade" rockets indeed. Poor little Hamas patriots.

Now Hezbala uses real battle field missile systems and ball bearing packed explosive heads.

Hez and Ham work for the Arab Nationalist which are Jew haters, Arab Nazis.


You mean a tool of the Israelis I'm sure since it was the Israeli PM that admitted Hamas was made to get rid of the PLO! I'm sure it must be an error on your part to neglect to mention this FACT!



posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
Once Hamas is gone, there is no reason why peace can not also be established in Gaza.


You mean, other than the fact that they're not Jewish, and aren't worthy of the same land rights.

... right?


Cause the Palestinian land has been steadily revoked by the Israelis for quite the number of decades now, WELL before Hamas existed.

You seriously expect the Israelis to stop stealing land from the Palestinians?
You have quite the rude awakening ahead of you my friend.

If Hamas is gone, sure Hamas won't be there to fight the Israelis... but the Israelis aren't about to stop spreading Israel until it occupies every last inch of former Palestine.

This is just another land grab. They'll find any excuse they can to take more land for themselves, whether Hamas exists or not.


Take a look at the geographical history of Israel... and where Palestine USED to be.
It's pretty self evident.

My only question is, once they have all of Palestine's land... who are they going to steal land from next?



posted on Jan, 18 2009 @ 10:53 PM
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Don't bother man. I said that I was a Zionist, but I do not support the taking of land from the Palestinians and Poet1b and Golemina pretty much said I support terrorism.

Just so you get an idea of who you are getting into it with when you posts that mostly accurate post.

(the part about where Palestine use to be. It never really officially became a state. You can look up the intended boundaries, but what was intended never came into existence because Britain gave up and handed the job off to the UN, who effectively split it up, and before Palestine even had a legit government, the other Arab nations invaded Israel and Palestine, and when they lost, Israel expanded its borders and Egypt/Syria occupied the Palestinian land and ruled over it.

So the Independent state that was to be Palestine was taken over by Israel and its Arab neighbors, something that Britain attempted to stop years earlier, the absorbing of Palestine by its Arab neighbors.)



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by Alpha_Magnum

Originally posted by Logarock
We drift if we forget that Hamas is a proxy tool. Palestinian nationalism or whatever one could call it is but a mere mask behind a larger more hideous face.

Lets drift back to Saddam launching tactical long range missiles into Israel. Nobody has done that sort of thing since Adolf Hitler launched missiles into England.

These little "homemade" rockets indeed. Poor little Hamas patriots.

Now Hezbala uses real battle field missile systems and ball bearing packed explosive heads.

Hez and Ham work for the Arab Nationalist which are Jew haters, Arab Nazis.


You mean a tool of the Israelis I'm sure since it was the Israeli PM that admitted Hamas was made to get rid of the PLO! I'm sure it must be an error on your part to neglect to mention this FACT!



WM-This would have no bearing on the current situation seeing that apparently the old PLO just moved onto Hamas. I mean Hamas is still firing missiles into Israel so something is wrong with your reasoning package. Did you attend state university?



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 07:39 AM
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Once again Israel fails to finish the job and now Hamas will claim victory and continue to rain missiles on Israeli towns.
Just another day for them.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 08:29 AM
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Yeah, I have heard this diatribe more that a few times, and the twisted ignorance of those who came up with this is laughable, and if you choose to believe it, then you you choose to live in ignorance. Normally it is tied in with racist claims about whites being the scum of the Earth, whose success is only due to our lack of humanity in being violent. Do you subscribe to that as well?

It is quite easy to blow huge holes in your nonsense claim about whites and the U.S. succeeding because of violence and aggression. The U.S. isn't the only nation carved out of the new world Colonized by Europe. All of Latin America was conquered by Spain, and the Spanish were far more brutal, violent, and aggressive than the Brittish/Anglo/Saxons/Celtics, French, Dutch, and Germans, who primarily colonized North America. If it was merely a matter of violence and Aggression, then the nations of Latin America would be as successful as the U.S.. Certainly S. America is every bit as rich in natural resources. You forget that Spain tried to conquer Briton before Briton began its colonization and became the greatest Empire in recorded history. The Chinese Empire, The Turkish Empires all succeeded by violence and aggression, but they failed to move beyond their regional boundaries. Both were technologically stagnant due to their religious extremism, and yes, Buddhism has its extremism, and that is why Europe came to dominate the world.

What sets the U.S. and Canada, and for that matter Western Europe, apart from the rest, what makes us the first world and the rest the third world is our belief in Democracy, establishment of constitutional republics, and beliefs in the principles of equality and opportunity for all, the rights of man, freedom of speech, and separation of church and state. If you don't get this, than you are clueless.

The biggest problem with too many liberal elitists is that they bought the rubbish you posted. The double edge of that blade of thought is that most people are scum, violent and aggressive, and that only the liberal elites understand true charity and decency.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by Logarock
WM-This would have no bearing on the current situation seeing that apparently the old PLO just moved onto Hamas. I mean Hamas is still firing missiles into Israel so something is wrong with your reasoning package. Did you attend state university?


What does "WM" mean??

Then at the end are you being cleaver with that university crack? You could do better the way I see it since you fail to understand the dynamics of what the whipping boy is set up to do in this case. Your placing a few ad hominems in a post does nothing to change the reality that Hamas is nothing more than a paramilitary group that the Israelis created to advance Israeli goals.

Once Again Prime Minister Ehud Olmert In A Public Argument Stated To Reporters In The Jerusalem Post:


"Netanyahu established Hamas, gave it life, freed Sheikh Yassin and gave him the opportunity to blossom," he said, adding that the current political situation in the Palestinian Authority came about "because of the nonsense that was done while Netanyahu was prime minister."


Now what would be the point of believing the Israelis have honorable intentions since their PM admitted that Hamas is simply another covert group made by Israel to do as Israel commands. Surely whatever vocational school you attended must have mentioned that governments all around the world do in fact use spies, undercover operatives and false flags?

Here Hamas is being used to offset the moral and political ramifications of whipping the "whipping boy" being the Palestinians. The general idea is to bait for instance IRAN into defending the "whipping boy" and thusly being able to justify a shooting war with IRAN as well. In that case the USA would intervene but IRAN has not taken the bait so Israel will stop for a bit and play down their war crimes.

What you are seeing in general is as the expression goes, "A gangland beat down!"



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 08:40 AM
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If the people known as Palestinians were to turn their backs on terrorism, and constant war, and truly seek to live in peace with their Israeli neighbors, then yes, I think they could regain the lands lost. What homes they could not recover, they should be able to obtain compensation. Israel has already made these offers.

The Palestinians lost their land, and live in their current condition because they have been constantly led astray by their Islamic brothers who have used the Palestinians as sacrificial lambs, as tools for propaganda, and excuses for their violent ways. Islam insists on an Islamic religious controlled state, and that is their biggest problem. What would be the best move for Palestinians is to turn their back on Islam, which has served them so badly.



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Solomons

Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by JanusFIN
 


A ceasefire eh?, for the full 24 hours or will they cut it short.


Like the last ceasefire they will abide by it,israel is the one who broke the last one on november 4th.Hamas abiding by that took courage and will power for the simple fact israel still controlled all their borders,were still occupying their land,sea and air.Any other country this happened to would have a right to wage war against israel.I'd like to know what you would do if China controlled all america's borders,sea and air,check points and occupied your land..thats right you would be branded a terrorist for fighting back



Oddly enough, that's exactly what the US did to Japan.
Pacific Ocean blockade, and what happened next was that
incident at Pearl.

The moral of the story is, if you're going to F around in somebody
elses backyard, some really bad shot is going to happen



posted on Jan, 19 2009 @ 08:58 AM
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Hamas is simply another covert group made by Israel to do as Israel commands.


Yeah, sure, and Israel is responsible for all of the terrorism around the globe being carried out by Muslims. I understand you are also selling bridges, and have a beauty in Manhattan for sale. Why is the leader of Hamas in Syria directing militants to draw Israeli fire towards schools?



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