reply to post by ANOK
If its just the minority that uses drugs and gets wellfare checks ten it wouldn't be a problem would it?
OMG! California controller to suspend tax refunds, welfare checks!, page 19
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reply posted on 23-1-2009 @ 02:18 PM by Xtrozero
reply to post by ANOK
Is there any part of your reasoning that includes the many on welfare due to apathy and the unwillingness to do anything to help themselves? Also with about a quarter of the illegal population in America , or about 3 million, that live in California do they in anyway play into your reasoning too?
So with about 33 million living is California you have out of those 3 million illegals, and a million on welfare. That is a lot of people not paying taxes while sucking the most out of the tax bucket.
Then when you add in the cost of living the picture gets grimmer. With California’s 39,000 Per Capita it looks to be about average, but when it is compared to a state with a lower Per Capita like Alabama’s 30,000 the actual wage needed in California to meet the living standard of 30,000 in Alabama is 48,000 dollars. So this just represents a lot of people who need extra assistance from the Government. Now when most of this is concentrated in the southern parts of California, it continues to burden local Government well past their abilities.
In the end you have a small percent of the total with the greatest tax burden, while also having a large number of people using tax money without paying into it.
No wonder California is broke.....
Is there any part of your reasoning that includes the many on welfare due to apathy and the unwillingness to do anything to help themselves? Also with about a quarter of the illegal population in America , or about 3 million, that live in California do they in anyway play into your reasoning too?
So with about 33 million living is California you have out of those 3 million illegals, and a million on welfare. That is a lot of people not paying taxes while sucking the most out of the tax bucket.
Then when you add in the cost of living the picture gets grimmer. With California’s 39,000 Per Capita it looks to be about average, but when it is compared to a state with a lower Per Capita like Alabama’s 30,000 the actual wage needed in California to meet the living standard of 30,000 in Alabama is 48,000 dollars. So this just represents a lot of people who need extra assistance from the Government. Now when most of this is concentrated in the southern parts of California, it continues to burden local Government well past their abilities.
In the end you have a small percent of the total with the greatest tax burden, while also having a large number of people using tax money without paying into it.
No wonder California is broke.....
reply posted on 23-1-2009 @ 05:27 PM by YoungStalin
reply to post by Xtrozero
Exactly!!
The cost of living is so messed up because of these people. The affordable places to live in southern california are packed full of illegals and people on welfare(high crime areas). So if you want a place where you can have a little peace of mind you have to pay out the *** for it.
Low-income housing- for people with low income
The street or state housing- for people with no income.
Don't you think if we got rid of welfare these people would either get jobs or leave? And i would not care where they left to if they want to run from work their entire lives thats okay with me.
Exactly!!
The cost of living is so messed up because of these people. The affordable places to live in southern california are packed full of illegals and people on welfare(high crime areas). So if you want a place where you can have a little peace of mind you have to pay out the *** for it.
Low-income housing- for people with low income
The street or state housing- for people with no income.
Don't you think if we got rid of welfare these people would either get jobs or leave? And i would not care where they left to if they want to run from work their entire lives thats okay with me.
reply posted on 24-1-2009 @ 09:06 AM by xoxo stacie
reply to post by Bhadhidar
AND I QUOTE: PRINTED IN HUGE ORANGE LETTERS ACROSS MY FORMS
FORMS PENDING STATE APPROVAL
DO NOT FILE
They are accepting e-files that are now SITTING and waiting till the state will once again accept them "into the system". I am not sure why you claim they are as there is no tax preparer in the State that has been given the go ahead. My planner has been in the biz for over 45 years and has NEVER been told that an e-file or mail file would be accepted; but would sit for the next 30 to 60 DAYS till they got things back on track!
YOU MY DEAR ARE WRONG WRONG WRONG or do not work for the people who are refusing to take the tax files into the system. NO TAXES ARE GOING INTO THE SYSTEM! THEY ARE NOT GOING IN! THEREFORE THEY ARE NOT ACCEPTING THEM! plain and simple not hard to understand NOT a PLAY on POLITICAL words!
Not in the system means NOT FILED.
Now once they do start taking them into the system; its going to be by date turned in . This part of the game is going to take them months to straighten out and that IS FROM A REGIONAL MANAGER. Not a desk worker.
And to further refute YOUR disinfo and rumor claims is this enjoy!
(Sorry about the black marks but you aint seeing how much I get!
)
i475.photobucket.com...
[edit on 24-1-2009 by xoxo stacie]
AND I QUOTE: PRINTED IN HUGE ORANGE LETTERS ACROSS MY FORMS
FORMS PENDING STATE APPROVAL
DO NOT FILE
They are accepting e-files that are now SITTING and waiting till the state will once again accept them "into the system". I am not sure why you claim they are as there is no tax preparer in the State that has been given the go ahead. My planner has been in the biz for over 45 years and has NEVER been told that an e-file or mail file would be accepted; but would sit for the next 30 to 60 DAYS till they got things back on track!
YOU MY DEAR ARE WRONG WRONG WRONG or do not work for the people who are refusing to take the tax files into the system. NO TAXES ARE GOING INTO THE SYSTEM! THEY ARE NOT GOING IN! THEREFORE THEY ARE NOT ACCEPTING THEM! plain and simple not hard to understand NOT a PLAY on POLITICAL words!
Not in the system means NOT FILED.
Now once they do start taking them into the system; its going to be by date turned in . This part of the game is going to take them months to straighten out and that IS FROM A REGIONAL MANAGER. Not a desk worker.
And to further refute YOUR disinfo and rumor claims is this enjoy!
(Sorry about the black marks but you aint seeing how much I get!
) i475.photobucket.com...
[edit on 24-1-2009 by xoxo stacie]
reply posted on 24-1-2009 @ 10:22 AM by Bhadhidar
reply to post by xoxo stacie
The forms you refer to were not, I'll wager, printed by the State, but by your tax service.
It is not the State that is refusing your return; it is your preparer service that appears to be holding the transmission of your forms to the State. Big Difference.
I used the State's Cal-File program. I filed my return electronically, on 01/15/2008.
After reading your reply above, I have just finished checking the status of my return.
Current status is "ACCEPTED" and being processed.
Hopefully, my (meager) refund will beat the State Controller's February cut-off date of February 1st and I'll get my actual refund instaead of an IOU. (That was the very reason I E-filed in the first place!)
If you go to the Tax Board's official web-site (ftb.ca.gov) you will see that there is no mention of the State refusing to accept tax returns.
And stop and think about what your preparer is saying for a moment:
The State is in dire need of all the funds it can get, right? A primary source of the State's revenue is received through income taxes.
If the State were to stop accepting income tax returns, it could not collect the taxes associated with those returns.
Why would the State cut off its primary source of revenue just when it needs every dollar it can get?
More likely what is happening is that preparers, like H&R Block, concerned that their RAL's (Refund Anticipation Loans), their so-called "Rapid" or "Instant Refund" re-imbursements might be delayed by the State's 30 day refund delay.
That would represent a serious cash-flow problem for the company. The interest they stand to lose on the money they're paying out would not be covered by the fees they charge for the RAL.
If in fact you were told by your preparer that the State is "not accepting tax returns", I'd like the name, address, and phone number of the preparer (U2U me if you would prefer) so that I can refer this matter to the proper investigation unit.
[edit on 24-1-2009 by Bhadhidar]
"FORM PENDING STAE APPROVAL" means that the form itself, the 540 C, which, BTW, is printed by the tax preparing service, not the State, is pending approval from the state for its format, content, and method of calculation.
It does not mean that the taxpayer's return entered on the form has not been accepted as filed.
[edit on 24-1-2009 by Bhadhidar]
[edit on 24-1-2009 by Bhadhidar]
The forms you refer to were not, I'll wager, printed by the State, but by your tax service.
It is not the State that is refusing your return; it is your preparer service that appears to be holding the transmission of your forms to the State. Big Difference.
I used the State's Cal-File program. I filed my return electronically, on 01/15/2008.
After reading your reply above, I have just finished checking the status of my return.
Current status is "ACCEPTED" and being processed.
Hopefully, my (meager) refund will beat the State Controller's February cut-off date of February 1st and I'll get my actual refund instaead of an IOU. (That was the very reason I E-filed in the first place!)
If you go to the Tax Board's official web-site (ftb.ca.gov) you will see that there is no mention of the State refusing to accept tax returns.
And stop and think about what your preparer is saying for a moment:
The State is in dire need of all the funds it can get, right? A primary source of the State's revenue is received through income taxes.
If the State were to stop accepting income tax returns, it could not collect the taxes associated with those returns.
Why would the State cut off its primary source of revenue just when it needs every dollar it can get?
More likely what is happening is that preparers, like H&R Block, concerned that their RAL's (Refund Anticipation Loans), their so-called "Rapid" or "Instant Refund" re-imbursements might be delayed by the State's 30 day refund delay.
That would represent a serious cash-flow problem for the company. The interest they stand to lose on the money they're paying out would not be covered by the fees they charge for the RAL.
If in fact you were told by your preparer that the State is "not accepting tax returns", I'd like the name, address, and phone number of the preparer (U2U me if you would prefer) so that I can refer this matter to the proper investigation unit.
[edit on 24-1-2009 by Bhadhidar]
"FORM PENDING STAE APPROVAL" means that the form itself, the 540 C, which, BTW, is printed by the tax preparing service, not the State, is pending approval from the state for its format, content, and method of calculation.
It does not mean that the taxpayer's return entered on the form has not been accepted as filed.
[edit on 24-1-2009 by Bhadhidar]
[edit on 24-1-2009 by Bhadhidar]
reply posted on 24-1-2009 @ 10:57 AM by Bhadhidar
reply to post by spliff4020
Actually, "Illegals" contribute quite a bit to the State's economy. Remember, most of them come here to find work.
If you are working (and your employer isn't paying you "under the table" in cash, a whole separate issue!) you are going to be paying taxes just like any other citizen.
The only economic "drain" on the system illegals pose is their need of state funded medical assistance, because their employers don't provide health insurance. Public education for their children is paid for by the taxes they pay on thier wages, just like everybody else.
As to those illegals who are not paying taxes because they recieve their wages in cash, "off the books"; well, isn't that more a problem of their employers (typically legal citizens owning/running the business) breaking the law, not the the illegal?
Generally speaking, illegal workers are more likely to pay their taxes, willingly, than citizens; the last thing an illegal resident wants is to draw the attention of the State down on him for not paying his taxes.
Being in the country illegally can get you deported.
Evading your taxes, as Al capone discovered, can get you thrown in jail!
Actually, "Illegals" contribute quite a bit to the State's economy. Remember, most of them come here to find work.
If you are working (and your employer isn't paying you "under the table" in cash, a whole separate issue!) you are going to be paying taxes just like any other citizen.
The only economic "drain" on the system illegals pose is their need of state funded medical assistance, because their employers don't provide health insurance. Public education for their children is paid for by the taxes they pay on thier wages, just like everybody else.
As to those illegals who are not paying taxes because they recieve their wages in cash, "off the books"; well, isn't that more a problem of their employers (typically legal citizens owning/running the business) breaking the law, not the the illegal?
Generally speaking, illegal workers are more likely to pay their taxes, willingly, than citizens; the last thing an illegal resident wants is to draw the attention of the State down on him for not paying his taxes.
Being in the country illegally can get you deported.
Evading your taxes, as Al capone discovered, can get you thrown in jail!
reply posted on 24-1-2009 @ 11:41 AM by xoxo stacie
reply to post by Bhadhidar
You cant get a RAL for state returns only federal and that FORM is what the STATE sent them to use as of January 20th. They are required by LAW to now tell the filers that the forms will be turned over to the state but will NOT be processed until the holding date has expired.(30-60days) What the heck is so hard to understand about this? They ARE taking the forms but AREN'T PUTTING THEM INTO THE SYSTEM! Yeah they may need the money but if you are due money your forms are WAITING APPROVAL!
Maybe, just perhaps the site hasn't been updated yet?
You cant get a RAL for state returns only federal and that FORM is what the STATE sent them to use as of January 20th. They are required by LAW to now tell the filers that the forms will be turned over to the state but will NOT be processed until the holding date has expired.(30-60days) What the heck is so hard to understand about this? They ARE taking the forms but AREN'T PUTTING THEM INTO THE SYSTEM! Yeah they may need the money but if you are due money your forms are WAITING APPROVAL!
Maybe, just perhaps the site hasn't been updated yet?
reply posted on 24-1-2009 @ 03:30 PM by ANOK
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Is there any part of your reasoning that includes the many on welfare due to apathy and the unwillingness to do anything to help themselves?
Is there any part in your reasoning that doesn't understand that people unwilling to help themselves simply CANNOT get welfare?
You are making a lot of incorrect assumptions. There are not millions of illegals on welfare, or millions of anybody who can work.
If you have a low income, you can claim for several benefits that can give you basic financial sustenance to live on. To get them, you will need to pass a ‘means test’, so you will have to give details of all your income and savings. If you live with a partner, civil partner or with your husband or wife, their income and savings are taken into account as well when deciding if you can get these benefits.
This is available to people with a low income that don’t have to look for work before they can receive benefit. These people are the:
o caregivers
o lone parents with children under 16 and
o people who are sick or disabled
www.socialsecuritylawattorney.com...
Where does it say illegals on that list? How do illegals get welfare without an ID? ID is required by the DHS, and ID's are checked with the immigration office. The only thing illegals can get is medicaid for their children, IF they are born in the US.
Again your hysteria over welfare is silly. And again what if all those people get jobs? Why did you ignore this point? I think you're just envious of what other people have because for some reason you're dissatisfied with your own life. You haven't even thought of the problems that having no welfare would cause. Maybe you have no compassion and wouldn't even take a second look if the streets were full of homeless mothers with new borns?
In financial crises the poor always get hurt the most. We didn't get our rent rebates last year, something some of us rely on.
And again what about corporate welfare? Or is it only the poor who don't deserve a little help when they need it? Only the poor are responsible for their own problems?
Nine Myths ABout Immegration
The Houston Chronicle January 25, 2008
Illegal immigrants swarm into our country and quickly jump on the welfare rolls. They cost hard-working U.S. citizens billions and billions of dollars in taxes because of this subsidy.
That's a familiar, easy charge leveled by critics of illegal immigration. But is it fact or fiction?
It's actually a myth, according to the Congressional Research Service, the investigative arm of Congress. This point is highlighted as one of the
"top five immigration myths of the campaign season," a list put out by the American Immigration Lawyers Association.
Source
The reason I asked if you have ever needed to be on welfare is because I have, due to a disability before I got SSI, and I know for a fact it's not easy to get if you can work.
Learn, and stop the silly hysteria...
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