reply to post by Daniem
I think it's good that you've made this realization of the "automaton" like processes of our world.
This is something concrete and undenyable.
Take it a step further...
try to understand that the mechanicity of nature is something of the animal kingdom, which we are a part of, as in truth we are "intellectual
Understand that this "free will" that we have has been in the past and now, percieved to be from two separate sources..
A) the source of our animalistically motivated survival/instinctual EGOS that form within ourselves.. urges... desires...
B) the will of a higher level of ideal, denying animal instinct ( a challenge) .. and following the "right thing to do for all" .. even if it means
sacrificing our personal pleasures... a higher level of being "conscious" of everything.
imagine your experience as a member of mankind as the potential "window of opportunity" in order to psychologically refine our selves with the
destruction of these purely
animalistic mechanical "ego" tendencies... pride, lust, greed, envy, anger etc...
and a chance to refine the higher ideals of the psyche...
yes we are dwelling in animal bodies, with which come all these "robotic" and "instinctual" automatic reactionary response systems..
but there is a point and a meaning to life..
and it is to deny these urges.. to use that energy that drives them..
to transform that energy into more idealistic and purposeful means to enhance the experience of life for ourselves in this planet.
to not degenerate into further and further aspects of animalistic behavior,
but to ascend from these, as difficult as it may be, and achieve a higher plateau of existence.
quite a challenge.
but it can only be started from within.
each one of us changing ourselves within, and denying the robotic pre-destined programming of animalistic ego.
one by one..
all the suffering you see in the world is an extrapolated fractal display of the conditions that lay within the individual.
change the one .. this changes the broader picture dynamically.
to recognize the inner creative aspects..
and deny the redundant animalistic egos and nurture the higher ideals of charity, self-control, temperance, dilligence, chastity - (not burying and
neglecting sexual energy, but using it in a refined manner as opposed to degraded unbridled repugnancy...)
I think your position stands, in comparison to the general idea of "god" as something fathomable that we can comprehend and compare nature to..
but in reality.. this "god" ... i find is more of an all-encompassing field of existence.. and to transcend into it's higher levels.. requires we
release ourselves from it's lower levels... .the levels of which you speak.. the robotic pre-determined reactionary programmed levels.
there does exist free-will.
you just need to define it more acutely.. as something opposed to your base premise of cause and effect... try "free will" as something that in
it's purest form... is something that powerfully rebels
against that predeterminism... and all of it's vices.. and very tempting
[edit on 27-1-2009 by prevenge]