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Evidence of NASA UFO Fraud Might Kill UK Hacker Case

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posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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You said, "I'm not sure if you can call walking into a machine with a blank password hacking..."

Well, yes you can. 99% of hacking is simple opportunism. Sure we see movies about how cleaver hackers are and how they know something that others don't. The truth is that the majority of time it is simply a matter of being at the right place and time with a connection to the network. Just like any other crime, most of the time it is a matter of opportunity in alignment with an individual willing to exploit the situation.

As a former system administrator, I can tell you that operational security is a big deal. The hacker makes a good point about the blank administrator password and I think that several sys admins at NASA should be given their walking papers. You simply don't use blank, or a generic password on any server that is connected to the outside world.

That does not excuse the hacker's actions however. It's kind of like the bank robber who breaks in at night and then discovers that the manager forgot to lock the vault. "The vault was unlocked", is no defense for breaking into the bank.




posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 02:46 PM
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I'm unsure what the 'norm' is in the US for penetration testing by external auditors to ensure security compliance, but I am sure every govt / govt funded department would undergo this - as a minimum annual tests.

The are many companies (KPMG, PWC, Deloittes etc) that do this for large private & public listed companies. It typically is required by law.

That being said, they would not miss "blank' passwords on external / public facing systems. If they have, then they have have failed and should be held accountable - the auditor that is.

[edit on 16-1-2009 by one_small_step]



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by IceColdPro
This guy is a scapegoat for Nasa. He was using crude methods to obtain access to their computers, furthermore, it is NASA's responsibility to ensure they have a secure system! When he described how he obtained access it seemed like the fault lies solely with Nasa for not having a good IT security team.


If you break into someone's home and steal something, whether that person locked their door or not is irrelevant. The same principle applies here. He committed a crime, which he admits to.


Nope. NASA is not a private home, its a public asset with a charter funded by taxpayers .The people have a right to know when THEIR MONEY is being used to cover up ET EXISTENCE instead of their claimed intent to find life elsewhere .

Nice try but no bisciut .



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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You're completely wrong. Hacking into another computer is a crime. Hacking a government computer is a federal crime.


Actually, he accessed a computer that was open for connections through remote access.
Brute forcing a system, is hacking.
This makes the server public domain.
Illegal? Not in my world.



Yeah it's a silly mistake not to secure a computer, that's a given.


Here, one can start to wonder, such a big server system that is not properly secured, hardware for millions of dollar, perhaps secrets for more than that.... And it was not secure against a remote access program, like pc-anywhere.
That is just not stupid, it's deliberate.



Nope because your no one! Sorry but that's the truth. To suggest hacking you're computer is the same level of offense as hacking a government computer is misguided.

The notion that this was a 'hacking' is wrong, he accessed a server, that allowed this connection without restrictions like a password and a username.



He searched for the truth in a knowingly illegal way. However I agree about the damage. The only real damage was to NASA's ego.

So, perhaps, visiting this site, could be considered illegal for a few?
Perhaps some people with anti-government feelings should look-out?
Perhaps there are un-patriotic information here?

But other than these objections, i agree with ya



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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the $2000 per computer is them rounding up how much they will have to pay their IT people to back and secure all the computers then make sure they are secure thats a lot of people putting in many hours that they have to pay for. So basically he found the problem exploited it and now theyre gonna make him pay for it. Motherboards do not cost $2000 not even $1000 so even if he did it to multiple computers the cost would not come close to what they are seeking in damages.

It is what it is!



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 04:13 PM
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Oh and please stop with comparing hacking into a computer with breaking into a home and leaving the door open/unlocked.

If you really want to keep using that then it would be like a hologram of me going into your home copying your plasma tv and taking the copy with me. what will you tell the police he stole my tv the police will say your tv is right there and you say no he made a copy of it and took the copy now i need to get another tv WTF?! see it is nothing like breaking into a home or stealing something. Now if he really did delete some files then he would be responsible for at least paying for the man hours that need to be used to restore them from a backup.

Dont get me started on the music thing too someone said about downloading a song. PLease after the RIAA sues you the lawyers get most of the money the RIAA gets whats left the artist they are fighting for? they get nothing! sorry dont mean to derail thread just had to drop that nugget.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 06:20 PM
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Hackers are, in general, leery of authority, and they should be, which is probably what makes them very reclusive people and causes them to seek further "evidence" for it and ways to defend themselves against authoritarian intrusion in their own lives. They do things like set up untraceable 'dark nets' which are branded as havens for porn and cracked software (um, a lot of them are), but in reality it is these dark nets which allow people to escape an untrustworthy authority in the first place. I bet the majority of people who visit this site are leery of authority, including me, which makes me appreciate Gary as opposed to despise him for who he is and what he has done. I am leery of governments, of banks, of law, as it seems that once you become an authority, you are no longer interested in nurturing those beneath you, but instead are merely interested in maintaining your own seat of power by choking out all other life, even if that means imprisoning everyone beneath you forever in chains, debt and servitude, spraying them all with chemicals to make them stupid. We hear of these initiatives of people in power to completely police the internet "to protect the children" when hackers are there, not to continue the porn trade, but to "protect the children" from untrustworthy governments who want them spiritually dead bunnies who know of no higher power than the government itself. Hackers want freedom from that wretched authority, from money, from law. They want anonymity. It is a spiritual pursuit, not to enrich themselves externally, but to enrich themselves internally. Yes, there are those who just want to wreak havoc--but you have to wonder, where does the urge to wreak havoc come from? Authoritarian abuses. Sure, some people are just bad, but MOST of them believe that what they are doing, ultimately, is for the greater good.

All industries have their hackers, and I love the fact that they exist. Life itself is a hack on this planet, and the "authority" which is there to protect us against these hackers pretty much is attempting to prevent that life from existing in the first place. If you are not a hacker in your own industry, you should probably ask yourself, why are you even IN your industry? If you farm and you have no access to the proper soil, hack your plants to life! If you are an architect in a hurricane-ridden land, hack your houses so they can withstand 150 MPH winds! Hack, hack, and hack some more. Otherwise, we're all toast, baking in a police-state wasteland, extradited into prisons for our attempts to grow our own tomatoes.

Gary, like many UFO enthusiasts, believe that governments are trying to keep people spiritually ignorant of who they are and where they came from and where they are going in this vast universe of life. That, my friends, is so much more criminal than anything he could have possibly done in his bedroom with a Unix script.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 08:33 PM
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Chances are the 'secured' databases this guy hacked in to are little more than red herring brag sheets like Janes . Black marketing if you like for the international intelligence services .

America loves to brag, off the record of course, about their superior ATS technology . In practice ,the only time they get really upset is when the superioirity of Aussie tech is leaked out .

for example ,when our 'outdated' f111's beat the crap out of the worlds best fighter, the f22 in those northern territory 'exercises'.

What do you think America would have done if they had won those exercises ? Make beligerant threats to Australia like they do with everyone else. Thats what .

But dont tell infraredman that because he likes to think he's THE AUTHORITY DOWN UNDER . As if......




posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by internos
There's nothing wrong in what you say, and your account is mostly correct: but basically, there is not conspiracy as well: the same stuff works the same way, presently, regarding soho: the point is to know WHAT soho is, how it does work, who runs it, why, how, its targets, its instruments, its general purpose, the origin, meaning, purpose of the filters applied to soho imageering and a lot of stuff more, but on top of that is to realize that soho is NOT a camera, soho is an observatory using scientific instruments and producing scientific data. To take an image from soho and claim it to be anomalous without having even the least knowledge of how that stuff works, is like I, (I am completely ignorant in biology), would take some microscopic image and claim that i see aliens creatures all over because what i see "looks strange".


Well, I wouldn't say it made me think of aliens, but in the e-mail exchanges between me and NASA, they tended to find two anomalies (or what I would call an anomaly) as well.

1) Why did the image disappear from their servers? They said they didn't know. Given, they eventually found the image in question on some backup server, but when I sent them a further e-mail asking them for the images around the one that went missing, my communication was cut off. Pthh. I guess I was burning up too much tax payer dollars
Hours of what I would call image snapshots were missing that day! I figured if you could observe the snapshots around this one, you would have a better idea of what you are looking at and how it built up and diminished.

2) The e-mail was forwarded internally with a change of my subject line. The new subject read: "Was this a comet?" The response to which was no, it was not any comet that they knew about. And finally, their response to me was, "So what is it? I have no idea, but the word 'slinky' comes to mind."

To me, I had no idea what the image was because I'm no expert--I just wanted to know why it went missing because I found it intriguing since the system seemed to be fairly automated, and finally when something interesting comes along, whoops! all those images are gone. Their response was, yes, it is an anomaly that it went missing, and further, the image is anomalous because we (NASA) do not know what it is. They didn't say, "Oh yeah, SOHO hiccupped like it always does and crashed some data and made a wormhole type thing." They said they didn't know. And I still don't know what I'm looking at when I see this picture:




posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 12:07 AM
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What if McKinnon IS extradited to USA, tried, found guilty, sentenced, disappears into the Federal Prison System. albeit under the Wit-Sec program(witness protection program)? Gets paid to work for the Government, with a new name & background...

Maybe...?



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 12:51 AM
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Hi, questionning persons !


Originally posted by jeff.behnke
...And I still don't know what I'm looking at when I see this picture:


It's evident !

An UFO that was between the sun and the satellite, in a
stationnary position, and accelerated away from the sun
in JUST the time of a "picture frame" !

Can you imagine the acceleration & speed of that thing ???????

There are often UFOs "parked" in the neutral gravitationnal
zone, between the earth and moon, and earth and sun.

Blue skies.



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 02:55 AM
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Originally posted by IceColdPro

SO WHAT?! Nasa does illegal things also,


Can you name some of these 'illegal acts' that NASA has done and back them up with documentation? I could use that





posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 03:31 AM
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He is charged with hacking the act, not hacking as it regards the material hacked. Any evidence of the hacked material will be remanded by the appropriately hacked entities promptly after being dismissed as irrelevant to the case and not allowed to be submitted into the record. All the Court will look at is information as it relates to his computer intruding on and gaining access to their computer by infiltration. And as these are secured and encrypted Systems having highly sensitive National security concerns, the proceedings will be closed.

read the fine print.

[edit on 17-1-2009 by PhyberDragon]



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 03:45 AM
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That was beautiful. I'm copying it to my WordPad.



posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 05:53 AM
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my post got cut off, so guess it comes short reply.

This guy is just cracking. And that means these places that got "hacked" are just stupid.

But that guy is stupid for doing it to them. I would never in a million years try such things with those PC's.

I don't see how the $2000 a PC thing is legit if he is just cracking. Thats just basically guessing passwords. Thats their own fault.

Stupid admins and stupid hacker. And stupid hacker is going to get the short end of the stick I think.

Wish he had put the info up though, I'm curious what he found.



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posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by jeff.behnke


Well, I wouldn't say it made me think of aliens, but in the e-mail exchanges between me and NASA, they tended to find two anomalies (or what I would call an anomaly) as well.

Jeff, if your post would have been somewhat worthless, then i would have simply ignored it: but as i've said, it does make perfect sense in every part: besides, you just expressed some very legitimate doubts.



1) Why did the image disappear from their servers? They said they didn't know. Given, they eventually found the image in question on some backup server, but when I sent them a further e-mail asking them for the images around the one that went missing, my communication was cut off. Pthh. I guess I was burning up too much tax payer dollars
Hours of what I would call image snapshots were missing that day! I figured if you could observe the snapshots around this one, you would have a better idea of what you are looking at and how it built up and diminished.


It's very important to know from where EXACTLY the image disappeared: was it the real time image, some archive page, some specific article or what? As far as i know, images and data are still available since year 2000:

seal.nascom.nasa.gov...

what we would need to find out is if really all the previous and next images were left and that specific one pulled out:
now regarding the person you talked with: was someone directly involved in SOHO project?
As far as i know they have been on dozen of servers, some of them are still active, some of them are no longer.
In the image in question is clearly noticeable a diffraction pattern (the series of rings that can be seen): what is really unknown, in that specific image, is what is at the origin of that pattern (source): of course it was very bright and (relatively) close to the Sun: but we must distinguish between actual object and appearance/consequence of its brightness: basically, what we see close to the Sun may be very close to the lenses. The 99% of what we see is a consequence of the hight brightness of the source, this can be said for sure: it's not very different from some ordinary lens flare, and the pattern repeated so regularly confirms it: notice also that the frequency of the pattern increases when it gets closer to the source, another clear fingerprint od flares origin. But i would be a liar if i'd claim to know what is its source: i'm just trying to point out that the real anomalies in SOHO (in this case LASCO) images have to be detected after studying the images together with the other scientific data: the image by itself is just a piece of a puzzle that not only proves nothing, but is even difficut to interprete: a bunch of pixels. And of course all this does NOT mean that all we see in soho/lasco images is ordinary: on the contrary, they are continuously being detected very interesting anomalies, but as far as i know no one of them has ever been linked to some intelligent extraterrestrial source.



2) The e-mail was forwarded internally with a change of my subject line. The new subject read: "Was this a comet?" The response to which was no, it was not any comet that they knew about. And finally, their response to me was, "So what is it? I have no idea, but the word 'slinky' comes to mind."

To me, I had no idea what the image was because I'm no expert--I just wanted to know why it went missing because I found it intriguing since the system seemed to be fairly automated, and finally when something interesting comes along, whoops! all those images are gone. Their response was, yes, it is an anomaly that it went missing, and further, the image is anomalous because we (NASA) do not know what it is. They didn't say, "Oh yeah, SOHO hiccupped like it always does and crashed some data and made a wormhole type thing." They said they didn't know. And I still don't know what I'm looking at when I see this picture:



Well: if the people you got in touch with were really involved in SOHO project, then they would deserve to be fired just because of their very strange way to approach the case. They should:
1) give you the address of someone entitled to answer in some serious way

or

2)Tell you that they DONT discuss scientific data by phone/email

or

3)provide you with some serious reply: this is NOT what has been done with you. But the point is who you did contact.

or

4) give to you this link:
sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov...



  • Planets: These always look very strange in LASCO images, because they're so bright that the image blooms, and the CCD pixels bleed along the readout rows. Some people try to claim that they're flying saucers, based on their appearance. I've also heard the claim that they're previously unknown Saturn-like planets with rings around them. You can see what I'm talking about on this SOHO Hot Shot page.

  • Cosmic rays: High energy particles from the solar wind, and from the galaxy as a whole, whip around the SOHO spacecraft and interact with the detectors. These produce spots and streaks on the detector ranging from a single pixel, to large streaks that span a large fraction of the image. These are most evident during a solar storm, as can be seen on this Hot Shot page, but are always present at some level. I know that some people have claimed that they've seen spacecraft-looking things that seem to be moving around, but which are obviously cosmic rays when examined by an experienced observer. People see a cosmic ray at one location in one image, and then another random cosmic ray hit nearby in the next image, and claim they're both the same thing moving between frames.
    Sometimes you'll see a cosmic ray seem to persist in the web images for two or more frames. This is because we lose a certain percentage of the data coming down from the spacecraft. In LASCO such losses appear as square blocks in the image. The software which puts the images up on the web will fill in these blocks from the last good image, and if there's a cosmic ray in that block from the previous image, it will appear in this image as well. The way to check for this is to look at the raw data files, which are also available on the web through the SOHO catalog interface.


  • Software glitches: Occasionally we'll have some problems with the software which produce the images for the web, and strange artifacts will appear in the data. These glitches are usually corrected within a few days. In fact, we had a couple of instances of that recently.

  • Detector defects: There are defects which appear in the cameras from time to time, sometimes temporary and sometimes permanent. I remember seeing a web site which claimed that strange lights were hovering over the lower left limb of the Sun in EIT images, and thought to myself "You only just noticed that?". Those defects have been around forever, and were seen in the lab even before SOHO was launched.
    Debris: Small pieces of aging insulation on the outside of the spacecraft, dust particles, micrometeorites etc can show up in pictures. Visit the LASCO Debris Lists and Images page for more details.




  • On the general subject of UFO claims from SOHO images, one should be aware that a lot of the supposed UFO pictures taken by SOHO have been modified by the proponents. For example, looking at the image that is distributed with the news release for the upcoming UFO conference, it's obvious that the picture is taken from a tiny number of pixels in the camera, and then passed through some kind of smoothing filter to make it look like a craft with rounded edges. They should at least have the courage to show the actual data, and not something which has been manipulated in Photoshop. In the example above, where the original image was "revealed" through the timestamp, we have shown how easy it can be to manipulate pictures into showing UFO-like features.

    That all said, it should be noted that we do see objects moving in SOHO images. Over 500 comets have been discovered in SOHO images, most by amateurs using LASCO data which have been downloaded from the web. That's more comets than from any other observatory, either from the ground or in space. People are looking for moving objects in these pictures all the time, and are highly motivated to find them. None of them have ever turned out to be anything other than comets.More about comets observed by SOHO on this SOHO Hot Shot page..



    BTW: take a look here:


    This is a list of LASCO images marred by streaks which are
    interpreted to be dust or debris near the telescope aperture
    .
    The images listed here may be a subset of the total number of images
    affected by these defects. Anyone finding suspicious streaks not
    already noted in this listing is asked to transmit that information
    to Gareth Lawrence (grl@kreutz.nascom.nasa.gov) or to Kevin Schenk
    (schenk@kreutz.nascom.nasa.gov).





    22-Sep-1999-17:42-C3
    Broad track in S. Dark in center, with bright edges and strange circular patterns. Brightest at edge of occulter, where track ends.

    lasco6.nascom.nasa.gov...
    They are talking about THAT image



    [edit on 17/1/2009 by internos]



    posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 06:20 AM
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    Now, let me add my two € cents about Gary McKinnon: after all i owe it to you because of the long off topic stuff regsrding SOHO.

    There are a lot of things that i'd love to do, but i dont do them because they are illegal: to respect the laws IS mandatory, no matter how much you are in agreement with. Laws are made because some people tend to behave as if they were living in some jungle: he hijacked some governative servers, and what he did was NOT a serious hacking if you know what really an hacker is: the real hacker is a curious person who wants to know the limit of something: a serious hacker unable to hide an IP address is something beyond my range of understanding. His behaviour has been way closer to the one of a thief than to the one of an hacker. And after all this enterprise, what do we have? Wait, please don't tell me that we have some claims and nothing else.

    One man breaks NASA's firewall
    One man comes and go...
    One man didn't get even a screen capture of what he saw
    One man is now concerned because the law is going to be applied to him as it has happened to all the people who acted in breach of the laws before, no matter the reason ...

    Laws are laws, hackers are hackers, clowns are clowns: if a clown kills someone, the court won't laugh but apply the law
    I sympathize with him, but i don't care if he will be kept for years in some jail (no matter the country): if he was not aware of the risk, then he has been silly; if he was aware of the risk, then he has been silly twice.


    [edit on 17/1/2009 by internos]



    posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 07:03 AM
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    Well if they do find it, that would mean that we have not been alone for more then 60 years or even thousands of years, This is what they don't want the public to know that they have been covering up things like this. They also have lied to us about Mars not being red skied but in fact it is more blueish.



    posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 07:34 AM
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    I see an avoidance of the main interest here - this guy McKinnon has found information on other intelligent life forms. The story of the millenium. When will it be made available us humans?

    McKinnon will be prosecuted. Morally, ethically, whatever - he committed a crime. If he has a good lawyer and this is his first offence, he will do minimum time inside, possibly none. Although it involves national security, he has not given information to another power that would compromise the security of US citizens, and there are no victims or losses of revenues.

    Pardon my cynicism, but after a lifetime of waiting for the breakthrough of finding hidden government knowledge of UFOs, I don't buy it any more.

    The secret Roswell alien labs, Majestik, Area 51, Corso. Many reports of discovered secret documents - all never amounting to anything.

    This has all the hallmarks of another one.


    MF



    posted on Jan, 17 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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    Also read this one!

    www.timesonline.co.uk...

    best regards Kukulcangod



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