Nazi Germany Vs Nazi Israel

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posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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I think most people reading this website will think of an Uncle as a parents brother.

So in this case Yasser Arafat (Spelt correctly) was NOT the nephew of Mohammad Amin al-Husayni

The Grand Mufti was his mothers cousin.

Update on Yasser Arafat and the Grand Mufti

Do you even know your mothers cousins?
I certainly don't know mine.




posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 05:16 PM
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What does it matter, the torch was passed on to Arafat by Huseini when he died and Arafat is his nephew. In fact Arafat's last words that got out to public as he was dieing were praising Al Huseini.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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I agree with you.

But it wasn't me that said



Get your REAL historical facts straight.

Deny ignorance indeed. This site is turning into nothing more than an outright blatant conduit for hate.


Anyway moving on

Do you think that this has more to do with supposed promise of free Palestinian land by the British at the end of World War One?



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by SectionEight
There is no such thing as Nazi Isreal. This is pathetic.


Hmmm one country refuses to let IAEA inspectors in and is making WMD's
Walls in a group of people.
Drops bombs targets schools, places of worship, hospitals, relief agencies
Wont let civilians flee the area?

Hmmm f



[G]enocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
www.ushmm.org...


Lets see Israel is guilty of a,b,c. Only one gets you genocide.

Funny, does the Holocaust give you a free pass to imitate the Nazi's

How is it any different? Sure gussied up for 21th century tastes but Gaza is a free range concentration camp these days.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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Wll done bodders, I have posted many threads on the same issue. There are those who think its ok to kill who they like but then denounce others for doing the same or standing up to tyrants and despots. The real axis of evil in the World is the UK/US/Irseal not some 3rd World country as we are often told.

star n flag for you.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 09:55 AM
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Both sides are guilty of genocide and the Nazi mindset.

Hamas:
-deliberately targets Israeli civilians through rocket attacks.
-has deliberately target Israeli civilians through suicide bombings
-Has Hamas according to your definition even committed genocide against its own people by using civilians as human shields?
www.youtube.com...
-Has extreme ideologies that include wiping out the Jewish state, wiping out infidels (those that are not Muslim), and spreading Jihad.

Israel:
-Has been extremely neglectful of Palestinian civilians and has given little care for them during wartime affairs and during peace.
-Is apparently using white phosphorous shells in heavily populated areas.
-Has hit numerous UN civilian structures.
-Civilian casualty rate is between 20% and 30%.
-Has extreme ideologies that view Muslims as less than human, has imperialistic pursuits, and seeks to treat Palestinians in as terrible a way as possible without causing international condemnation (in other words they try to get as close to the line of genocide as possible without being internationally condemned).........if they could they would

Both are guilty of terrible acts. Both are guilty of intent. Both are guilty of genocide against the other side.........Israel is just the bigger bully and more able.

ATS should be rising up against all genocidal and extreme ideologies. However, for some reason it is becoming a very lopsided issue. We should be the first not to support either side. Sadly, many people here apparently support extreme ideologies and support these ideologies by sympathizing with Hamas or Israel.

[edit on 16-1-2009 by Bugman82]



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 10:01 AM
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Bugman, you could be not more wrong, when a stronger nation attacks a weaker one they are not both equal in their actions and intent. One is trying to exploite the country and murder its people the other is trying to stop that happening by whatever means it can.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 10:04 AM
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just few corrections

1. Spreading Jihad? you do know the main definition of JIHAD means struggle and thrive? or Holy war which is when your fighting for your survival and homeland.

2. Suicide bombings? how many have there been from Gaza in the last few years?

3. Rocket attacks? the DIY rockets which so far have killed 4 Israelis and just hit places and caused minimal Damage.

4. Using Human shields? seeing as you have the entire populace in a ghetto like a packed sardine, is it supprising?

Israel Trump Hamas more then you say or think.
They share more things with Nazi Germany then Hamas and their people.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 10:05 AM
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That is interesting, I never thought about how Hitler had a view of the perfect race and similarly Jews are the "chosen" race. Of course, one is acceptable, the other not so much lol.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 11:14 AM
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You are rationalizing the actions of Hamas against civilians. There is no denying the evils they commit but you somehow try to argue around the admittance of this fact. Do you realize how illogical that is? Or, are you jaded by your preconceived notions and biases?

I would say that you are arguing from a "numbers game" perspective and not intent. I'm sorry but that is a severe logical fallacy that cannot be substantiated by any argument. I refuse to rationalize based on the numbers killed. I'm sorry Hamas hasn't killed hundreds of Israeli civilians but that doesn't change the fact that Hamas is specifically targeting them does it? Answer a few simple questions for me and we can go on our way......you don't have to respond to any other statements of mine. This is a simple yes or no test.

-In the video I posted is Hamas firing mortars from a UN school?
-Is Hamas specifically targeting civilians with rocket fire?
-Has Hamas used suicide bombers to specifically target Israeli civilians?
-Has Hamas stated that its intended goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth?

If your answer to just one of these questions is a "yes" then there is no argument against the fact that they are just as bad as Israel. They may not have the militaristic ability to do the same damage as Israel but they have the same intentions........



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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So let's analyze your logic.

Hamas is trying to stop Israel's aggression by.....
1. Specifically targeting civilians with rocket attacks.
2. In the past, targeting Israeli civilians through suicide attacks.
3. Stating as its intended goal the destruction of Israel.

hmmmm, something isn't quite adding up....



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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Bugman, you do realise don't you that Masa was created by Mossad, you know just like Al Qaeda were created by the CIA. You see thats what the parasites do, they creat their own terrorists let them loos on their own people and then use that as an ecuse to push their agenda.


What is happening in Gaza is not about how many are killed but pushing the plan ahead. That plan is for the forming of a greater Israel wish will see it controlling the oil rich states that currently surround it. Iraqs in the bag, Iran Jordan and Syria are to follow. And whilst everyone swallows the tripe about Israel protecting itself the eprsp get control of all the oil for the West. Dose that make it clearer, its not about a piece of the jigsaw its the whole puzzle.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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And now to the straw man argument that Israel created Hamas.

Magicmushroom, let me make it very clear to you that I do not support Israel. I think that their ideologies are evil. I believe the things they have done to Palestinians are absolutely terrible.

However, I also believe the same about Hamas. The idea that Israel created Hamas does not change the fact that Hamas has done terrible things. It is simply an argument that tries to RATIONALIZE what Hamas is doing. This is unacceptable.

I am over time finding Ron Paul's argument on not being involved in the affairs of other countries quite appealing due to conflicts like this where both sides are doing terrible things.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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2. Suicide bombings? how many have there been from Gaza in the last few years?


Its true that the number of Palestinian terror attacks has gone down, along with the number of dead because of those attacks since 2000. In 2007 only 3 people died as a result of Palestinian terrorists. This is from The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs by the way. So it seems to me that Israel was already winning the war against Palestinian terrorists. I think though, that Israel is just flexing its muscle... much like Russia did with Georgia. Both countries found a reason to go to war and they did. Except Russia has a reputation for not caring about what the rest of the world thinks of them. The same cant be said about Israel.

There is no doubt that HAMAS should be dealt with. No doubt. I don't know why people keep thinking that not supporting Israel's actions, means we support HAMAS. For the last time NO ONE IS DEFENDING HAMAS OR AT LEAST NOT ME. WE ARE ONLY DEFENDING THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE THAT ARE INNOCENT. HAMAS should have been dealt with in a professional military way. With Special Forces and even Black Ops taking them out. If they're any good(the Israelis), and I'm assuming they are, we would never have this giant clusterfu** of a war with hundreds of innocents dead.

If a doctor has to amputate a foot and he's gone to school, and has all the tools,precision tools; what would you say if he used an axe and no anesthetic? Think about it.



posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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Nazi Germany Vs Nazi Israel

  • Germany wanted to exterminate the Jews. Israel does not want to exterminate the Jews.

  • Germany invaded Poland. Israel has not yet invaded Poland.

  • Germany invaded and conquered Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and France. Israel has yet to invade these countries.

  • Germany fire-bombed London. Israel has not yet fire-bombed London

  • Germany invaded Russia. Israel has not invaded Russia.

  • Germany attacked Yugoslavia and Greece. Israel has yet to invade these countries.

  • The Germans stole the lost Ark from Indiana Jones. Israel lost the Ark and has not recovered it yet.

  • The German leader had a mustache. Israel's leader does not have a mustache.

  • Germany had the Swastika. Israel has the Star of David.

    That is all for now.



  • posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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    Bugman, You are still missing the point, it does not matter how evil Hamas is or not or any other group for that matter. Its about the ultimate objecttive and that is for a greater Israel. One that does not contain any Arabs or anyone else that the Jews don't like or want. The Israelis will use whatever means required to bring that about and it is that, that you should concentrate on.



    posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 12:15 PM
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    i dont play the Numbers game here
    i compared the Evils of what Israel is doing to what Nazi germany did.
    I use history and what has happend in the past and how it was played out, its up to others to play this anyhow they like and put it anyhow they like to justify their position.


    also i forgot to add this to my first post



    en.wikipedia.org...

    The Jewish resistance during the Holocaust was the resistance of the Jewish people against Nazi Germany leading up to and through World War II. Due to the careful organization and overwhelming military might of the Nazi German State and its supporters, many Jews were unable to resist the killings. There were, however, many cases of attempts at resistance in one form or another, and over a hundred armed Jewish uprisings.


    before and after Jews were being rounded up they tried to lead an uprising against the Nazis but they were no match for the Military might of Nazi military,

    remind anyone of anything?



    posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 12:25 PM
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    Bodders you wont win with the Israeli apaologists here, it does not matter what you say or post. Eventually the names anti semite and Jew Hater will surface as they do on all these types of threads because thats what they do to shut people up, or try to.



    posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 12:30 PM
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    The only difference between nazi germany and nazi israel is that the israelis choke and kill slowly while the germans did it straight away.



    posted on Jan, 16 2009 @ 12:36 PM
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    well they can scream Anti-semite and Anti jew from the top of their Voices,
    wont make me shut up and express my Views,

    I have a clear message in My Signiture and under my name




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