Wouldn't there be something left... like detectable radiation on the new road? So many UFO crashes I hear about are cleaned up so quickly, I don't
think their ET, they sound more like experimental craft, a top secret experiment gone wrong would have the same results.
The Cash-Landrum UFO Incident: Personal Recollection, page 1
Topic started on 15-1-2009 @ 04:08 AM by Doc Velocity
I'm not going to repost the entire Cash-Landrum UFO incident in detail here, as it is one of the most well-known and significant close encounters in
history. For those who need a refresher on the case:
Cash-Landrum UFO Incident (1980)
HUFFMAN, TEXAS - On the evening of December the 29th 1980, Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum and Colby Landrum... noticed a bright UFO above the tree tops... Colby was the first to spot it and pointed it out to the others. As they drove on it appeared to get larger and larger. As they realized that the object was approaching the road only a short distance ahead they began to get worried but hoped to get by it in time and leave it behind. But before they could do so the object had straddled the road blocking their way.
In a nutshell, the two women and young boy witnessed a massive "diamond-shaped" craft descend and hover just a few meters above the blacktop country road directly in their path, causing them to stop their automobile. One of the women exited the vehicle for a better look, but was forced to retreat by the intense heat of the UFO's sparking and flaming "exhaust." The UFO then ascended and departed.
All three witnesses reported a large formation of Chinook helicopters (as many as 23 choppers) accompanying the bizarre craft.
In the weeks and months that followed, the witnesses repeatedly sought medical treatment for symptoms that were positively identified as resulting from high-energy radiation exposure. In point of fact, the severe "sunburns" that the women received deteriorated into prolonged battles with cancer, which claimed both of their lives years later. Only the boy, Colby Landrum, survives to this day.
I was reminded of this incident just this evening while viewing an episode of UFO Hunters on The History Channel, an episode specifically addressing the Cash-Landrum event. No new information was revealed (as is usually the case with such programs), but one segment of the show hit home for me.
In early January of 1981, I was catching a ride from a buddy who lived in Conroe, Texas, and we necessarily traveled that same roadway (FM 1485) on our way to work on the east side of Houston. We usually left well before sunrise to reach our jobsite by 7:00 AM, as the commuter traffic up there around Conroe was legendarily bad. So it was still dark when we hit the road.
This would have been shortly after the Cash-Landrum incident transpired, but we didn't know that, as the story had not yet reached the press.
Outside of New Caney, Texas, on a stretch of 1485 that was particularly desolate at the time, we encountered a nondescript sawhorse roadblock and what I supposed was a contract road crew working in the dark, using only a spotlight tree to illuminate what appeared to be some serious road repairs. In fact, we were turned back to New Caney because the entire road was closed.
I thought this was odd because there were no "detour" nor "road closed" nor "men working" warning signs, and it was highly unusual for road repairs to shut down both sides of a thoroughfare. Unless, of course, it was an emergency job. We assumed that a petroleum tanker had crashed and burned, damaging the road and warranting a rush repair.
By the light of our headlights, we could see quite a bit of heavy equipment — a couple of beaten-up and unmarked dump trucks, an unmarked front-end loader, an unmarked road grader, and a couple of other bulky vehicles hidden by the darkness. I guessed that it was a blacktop machine, because we could smell creosote and asphalt in the air. None of the road crew were wearing reflective gear, either, which I thought was pretty peculiar. They were tearing up and laying a new road. In the dark.
Aside from being a little puzzled and pissed off, we turned around and took an alternate route to work and didn't give the road block another thought, except that we remembered to take a different route home later that day.
Shortly thereafter, the Cash-Landrum incident first made the news in a big way; even then, we didn't put two-and-two together for a few more weeks. Then, on the way home from work one afternoon, traveling up FM 1485, we made the connection — here was a new stretch of over 100 feet of the roadway that was stark and pristine blacktop. Even the gravel shoulders of the road were fresh gravel, all of which stood out like a sore thumb against the rest of the forested scenery.
It just suddenly became very obvious to us — this was where that goddamned thing, that diamond-shaped UFO, had come down and melted the road. As later confirmed by the witnesses, it was the exact site of the incident.
Which was a distinctly creepy feeling, but also an infuriating one. I mean, this thing had provided even the staunchest skeptics with some of the most irrefutable physical evidence they could possibly demand of a UFO sighting... A melted highway, and a trio of witnesses suffering high-energy radiation burns, for Godsake.
But the evidence was deliberately destroyed and paved-over. The witnesses tried to sue the U.S. military and then the U.S. government for their grievous injuries, but their lawsuits were dismissed without hearing, simply because the government issued a one-line excuse: The U.S. government has no knowledge of and does not assume responsibility for this incident.
Ta-daaaa. Easiest defense ever.
Which is one of the reasons that I have very little respect for skeptics demanding irrefutable physical evidence of UFO contact. I think skeptics know the evidence is being destroyed, which makes it easy to dismiss UFOs out-of-hand, without even bothering to investigate. I mean, how many times do you think this has happened over the decades? How many contacts have been paved-over and officially dismissed, even as people's lives were destroyed in the process?
— Doc Velocity
Cash-Landrum UFO Incident (1980)
HUFFMAN, TEXAS - On the evening of December the 29th 1980, Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum and Colby Landrum... noticed a bright UFO above the tree tops... Colby was the first to spot it and pointed it out to the others. As they drove on it appeared to get larger and larger. As they realized that the object was approaching the road only a short distance ahead they began to get worried but hoped to get by it in time and leave it behind. But before they could do so the object had straddled the road blocking their way.
In a nutshell, the two women and young boy witnessed a massive "diamond-shaped" craft descend and hover just a few meters above the blacktop country road directly in their path, causing them to stop their automobile. One of the women exited the vehicle for a better look, but was forced to retreat by the intense heat of the UFO's sparking and flaming "exhaust." The UFO then ascended and departed.
All three witnesses reported a large formation of Chinook helicopters (as many as 23 choppers) accompanying the bizarre craft.
In the weeks and months that followed, the witnesses repeatedly sought medical treatment for symptoms that were positively identified as resulting from high-energy radiation exposure. In point of fact, the severe "sunburns" that the women received deteriorated into prolonged battles with cancer, which claimed both of their lives years later. Only the boy, Colby Landrum, survives to this day.
I was reminded of this incident just this evening while viewing an episode of UFO Hunters on The History Channel, an episode specifically addressing the Cash-Landrum event. No new information was revealed (as is usually the case with such programs), but one segment of the show hit home for me.
In early January of 1981, I was catching a ride from a buddy who lived in Conroe, Texas, and we necessarily traveled that same roadway (FM 1485) on our way to work on the east side of Houston. We usually left well before sunrise to reach our jobsite by 7:00 AM, as the commuter traffic up there around Conroe was legendarily bad. So it was still dark when we hit the road.
This would have been shortly after the Cash-Landrum incident transpired, but we didn't know that, as the story had not yet reached the press.
Outside of New Caney, Texas, on a stretch of 1485 that was particularly desolate at the time, we encountered a nondescript sawhorse roadblock and what I supposed was a contract road crew working in the dark, using only a spotlight tree to illuminate what appeared to be some serious road repairs. In fact, we were turned back to New Caney because the entire road was closed.
I thought this was odd because there were no "detour" nor "road closed" nor "men working" warning signs, and it was highly unusual for road repairs to shut down both sides of a thoroughfare. Unless, of course, it was an emergency job. We assumed that a petroleum tanker had crashed and burned, damaging the road and warranting a rush repair.
By the light of our headlights, we could see quite a bit of heavy equipment — a couple of beaten-up and unmarked dump trucks, an unmarked front-end loader, an unmarked road grader, and a couple of other bulky vehicles hidden by the darkness. I guessed that it was a blacktop machine, because we could smell creosote and asphalt in the air. None of the road crew were wearing reflective gear, either, which I thought was pretty peculiar. They were tearing up and laying a new road. In the dark.
Aside from being a little puzzled and pissed off, we turned around and took an alternate route to work and didn't give the road block another thought, except that we remembered to take a different route home later that day.
Shortly thereafter, the Cash-Landrum incident first made the news in a big way; even then, we didn't put two-and-two together for a few more weeks. Then, on the way home from work one afternoon, traveling up FM 1485, we made the connection — here was a new stretch of over 100 feet of the roadway that was stark and pristine blacktop. Even the gravel shoulders of the road were fresh gravel, all of which stood out like a sore thumb against the rest of the forested scenery.
It just suddenly became very obvious to us — this was where that goddamned thing, that diamond-shaped UFO, had come down and melted the road. As later confirmed by the witnesses, it was the exact site of the incident.
Which was a distinctly creepy feeling, but also an infuriating one. I mean, this thing had provided even the staunchest skeptics with some of the most irrefutable physical evidence they could possibly demand of a UFO sighting... A melted highway, and a trio of witnesses suffering high-energy radiation burns, for Godsake.
But the evidence was deliberately destroyed and paved-over. The witnesses tried to sue the U.S. military and then the U.S. government for their grievous injuries, but their lawsuits were dismissed without hearing, simply because the government issued a one-line excuse: The U.S. government has no knowledge of and does not assume responsibility for this incident.
Ta-daaaa. Easiest defense ever.
Which is one of the reasons that I have very little respect for skeptics demanding irrefutable physical evidence of UFO contact. I think skeptics know the evidence is being destroyed, which makes it easy to dismiss UFOs out-of-hand, without even bothering to investigate. I mean, how many times do you think this has happened over the decades? How many contacts have been paved-over and officially dismissed, even as people's lives were destroyed in the process?
— Doc Velocity
reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 06:54 AM by Fillet ask a
reply to post by Doc Velocity
Nice thread & a good read, cheers. S & F
I've taken a little offence by this statement though.
In your post you've stated that the Government destroyed the evidence & you obviously seem to want to challenge their response to the incident & perhaps seek out more information before you decide what actually occurred.
Isn't that, by the definition of the word, skepticism?
People who dismiss without bothering to investigate or consider other opinions are the ones you shouldn't respect.
Nice thread & a good read, cheers. S & F
Which is one of the reasons that I have very little respect for skeptics demanding irrefutable physical evidence of UFO contact. I think skeptics know the evidence is being destroyed, which makes it easy to dismiss UFOs out-of-hand, without even bothering to investigate.
I've taken a little offence by this statement though.
In your post you've stated that the Government destroyed the evidence & you obviously seem to want to challenge their response to the incident & perhaps seek out more information before you decide what actually occurred.
Isn't that, by the definition of the word, skepticism?
People who dismiss without bothering to investigate or consider other opinions are the ones you shouldn't respect.
reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 01:56 PM by kidflash2008
reply to post by Doc Velocity
I do not think it was a UFO, but a secret military vehicle. They were testing it and following it with helicopters. I think it is a shame they did not pay for the three persons medical care, and offer an apology for what happened. It is still classified today, and hopefully in the future will be declassified so Mr Landrum can know what happened to him.
This was definitely NOT an extraterrestrial craft, but a secret military craft.
I do not think it was a UFO, but a secret military vehicle. They were testing it and following it with helicopters. I think it is a shame they did not pay for the three persons medical care, and offer an apology for what happened. It is still classified today, and hopefully in the future will be declassified so Mr Landrum can know what happened to him.
This was definitely NOT an extraterrestrial craft, but a secret military craft.
reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 05:48 AM by Exuberant1
reply to post by Razimus
"I don't think their ET, they sound more like experimental craft, a top secret experiment gone wrong would have the same results"
Since the 'experimental craft' was not identified (except by you; on this thread, with no proof), it is a de facto UFO.
Not a flying saucer either - but a UFO....
"I don't think their ET, they sound more like experimental craft, a top secret experiment gone wrong would have the same results"
Since the 'experimental craft' was not identified (except by you; on this thread, with no proof), it is a de facto UFO.
Not a flying saucer either - but a UFO....
reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 07:51 AM by observe50
Hello Doc,
I also watched the show and it was very interesting and it really upsets me how our government would allow these people to suffer and just brush them off. This shows me when the government says we do this to protect the people they are full of crap they are out for themselves and don't give a crap about us at all.
Look at the way Bush said he doesn't care what the people think about him, well he should he was our President. If we the people don't keep an eye on everything this government does and band together when they do something we don't like or want then it is just as much our fault for letting them get away with the stuff they do.
I also don't feel that this was an Alien ship because there were to many double rotters right there I would think we would have had the faster aircraft out and to try and shoot it down cause that's the way we are.
I would suggest that you write to Bill Birnes and tell him what you have written here for us, I am sure he is looking for every tid-bit of information he can compile.
www.history.com...
I also watched the show and it was very interesting and it really upsets me how our government would allow these people to suffer and just brush them off. This shows me when the government says we do this to protect the people they are full of crap they are out for themselves and don't give a crap about us at all.
Look at the way Bush said he doesn't care what the people think about him, well he should he was our President. If we the people don't keep an eye on everything this government does and band together when they do something we don't like or want then it is just as much our fault for letting them get away with the stuff they do.
I also don't feel that this was an Alien ship because there were to many double rotters right there I would think we would have had the faster aircraft out and to try and shoot it down cause that's the way we are.
I would suggest that you write to Bill Birnes and tell him what you have written here for us, I am sure he is looking for every tid-bit of information he can compile.
www.history.com...
reply posted on 16-1-2009 @ 02:30 PM by kidflash2008
reply to post by Doc Velocity
At least the military did remove the radioactive road and replaced it with good pavement. That did remove the danger to others potentially getting radiation sickness in the area. I do believe that it definitely was an experimental craft of some sort, and as I have stated above, hope that Mr Landrum can get some answers and closure for what happened to him and his family.
At least the military did remove the radioactive road and replaced it with good pavement. That did remove the danger to others potentially getting radiation sickness in the area. I do believe that it definitely was an experimental craft of some sort, and as I have stated above, hope that Mr Landrum can get some answers and closure for what happened to him and his family.
reply posted on 17-1-2009 @ 02:12 PM by kidflash2008
reply to post by Anonymous ATS
A few things point to the object being a military type vehicle:
1. The initial reports I read described a missile shaped object. I don't know if it is embellishment of that Mr Landrum did not get a good look at the craft for it to now take on a diamond shape.
2. The fact that the craft had flames shooting out from it shows it was terrestrial in origin. Why would a civilization thousands if not millions of years ahead of us use such a primitive and dangerous form of travel? They would have a propulsion system much more advanced than a rocket type that is common to what we use.
3. The secrecy of the military indicates that this is still quite secret. Also, the quick way in which they repaved the road indicates they knew of the radiation.
This case is quite obviously not an otherworldly craft. I think UFO researchers want every case to be a flying saucer when that is not necessarily so.
A few things point to the object being a military type vehicle:
1. The initial reports I read described a missile shaped object. I don't know if it is embellishment of that Mr Landrum did not get a good look at the craft for it to now take on a diamond shape.
2. The fact that the craft had flames shooting out from it shows it was terrestrial in origin. Why would a civilization thousands if not millions of years ahead of us use such a primitive and dangerous form of travel? They would have a propulsion system much more advanced than a rocket type that is common to what we use.
3. The secrecy of the military indicates that this is still quite secret. Also, the quick way in which they repaved the road indicates they knew of the radiation.
This case is quite obviously not an otherworldly craft. I think UFO researchers want every case to be a flying saucer when that is not necessarily so.
reply posted on 17-1-2009 @ 02:36 PM by Frith
reply to post by kidflash2008
Regarding question #2.
The flames shooting out of the alleged craft may have been a result of malfunction. Since everything is conjecture I am going to go ahead and say this was a malfunctioning extraterrestrial vehicle that was limping along trying to escape capture by the U.S. government. Like a paranormal version of car chases you see on television when a suspect is chased by a large group of cops on the highway where their tires blow off and the rims are biting into the cement causing sparks to fly everywhere.
[edit on 17-1-2009 by Frith]
Regarding question #2.
The flames shooting out of the alleged craft may have been a result of malfunction. Since everything is conjecture I am going to go ahead and say this was a malfunctioning extraterrestrial vehicle that was limping along trying to escape capture by the U.S. government. Like a paranormal version of car chases you see on television when a suspect is chased by a large group of cops on the highway where their tires blow off and the rims are biting into the cement causing sparks to fly everywhere.
[edit on 17-1-2009 by Frith]
reply posted on 18-1-2009 @ 02:24 PM by kidflash2008
reply to post by Frith
If it was a extraterrestrial vehicle, how did the military know the road was contaminated by radiation? That should be one of the bigger pieces of evidence to show this was one of our experimental craft.
I know people want every case to involve extraterrestrials, but that is not always the case. Just by looking at the evidence and eyewitness testimony, one can conclude this was one of ours.
If it was a extraterrestrial vehicle, how did the military know the road was contaminated by radiation? That should be one of the bigger pieces of evidence to show this was one of our experimental craft.
I know people want every case to involve extraterrestrials, but that is not always the case. Just by looking at the evidence and eyewitness testimony, one can conclude this was one of ours.
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