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Originally posted by saint4God
This is an interesting part of the law I did not know about. So then, the unborn child also has the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"?
Originally posted by Xtrozero
I just can't find any merits to this argument though.
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
The argument is that lives ARE gained in the sacrifice of others. .
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
Technically speaking of course. As for the rest of your post, you're absolutely right, every choice has a butterfly effect hence the argument of some not being alive today due to a decision to not have an abortion.
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
You are dancing around the subject in an attempt to say that abortion is wrong. This was not the point of the thread
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
Do you feel that the value of an animal's life is less than the value of yours?
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
This isn't true, the two that came after wouldn't have existed if the one hadn't died in the first place. We're not -1. We were until the two were created. Now it's +1 if you want to be mathematical about it.
Originally posted by saint4God
Three zygotes were formed according to history. One was destroyed:
3 - 1 = 2
QED
The rest is mere speculation.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by saint4God
The question is "do animals have souls?" To that I say I don't know. I won't be killing and eating babies however. Equate babies to animals and plants if you like, but I have a lot of respect for people.
[edit on 15-1-2009 by saint4God]
Ok, I just spit my coke out my nose and mouth reading this....you my friend are a funny guy.
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
Either way you say it, it's not a negative number. Lives were gained because one was lost.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
And while you may prefer that I not exist, I am sure there are many who share your views on life that wouldn't exist either.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
Again, not trying to be a jerk here, but did you read the thread? That's not what this is about.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
Is it honestly that hard for you to argue intellectually, or are you just stupid?
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
I'm going to say this as nice as I can:
Are you people intentionally trying to be thick
reply to post by Razimus
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You completely missed the point of the thread. Please work on your reading comprehension.
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
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Sweet! Someone finally understands what I am talking about.
reply to post by saint4God
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Again, please just reread and understand what I am talking about.
reply to post by Xtrozero
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You also missed the point. I am saying that abortions bring about the opportunity for new life. There are many who would not be alive today if it was not for abortion.
Okay, well as a biochemist you are certainly more adept at understanding it than I. You do agree that genetics plays a role in who we are and why we act the way we do then right? If yes, then if you put a soul in a different body wouldn't they be a different person?
All I know, and I'll state this again, is that there are literally thousands of people alive in the U.S. today who wouldn't be if abortion wasn't legal.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
Oh, and good job on making a post with no personal insults. You're well on your way to forming an mediocre argument.
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Either way, it is a good clue to avoid any future threads by this person but that is just my advice.
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Either way, it is a good clue to avoid any future threads by this person but that is just my advice.
I would not recommend avoiding a thread because of someone on it. If you have something to say on an issue, here is the minimal time and place to do it. Just because someone is looking to prove how right he or she are or belittle others does not mean we should 'take it' and become silenced. Silencing what is right and what is true is more dangerous than anything another person could do to us.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by Aermacchi
About 3% of that post was on topic.
[edit on 1/20/2009 by Irish M1ck]
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
Do you even know how real debates work? Saying tough guy and posting up pictures of you with your shirt off will not get much respect.
I will do this topic, or any other topic versus you. I'll prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster use his noodely apendage to create me, if that's the topic you choose.
Just get off my thread, or stay on topic otherwise. I don't care. (And that's why I don't say it to anyone else, because they don't post 5000 off topic remarks, just one).
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by Aermacchi
Again, stay on topic. If you want to debate, go to the debate forum and get yourself set up.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
About 3% of that post was on topic.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
Again, stay on topic. If you want to debate, go to the debate forum and get yourself set up.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
On the religious level, we have to realize the connection between our DNA and our souls. There has to be a connection.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
So, even with the same soul, I would still need the same DNA to be the same person.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
On a moral level, it seems almost as immoral to dismiss the lives of the people who were born because of abortion. What is your opinion on it?
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
Just humor me. You don't have to believe it, but what if there are people who would not be alive if abortion was illegal?
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
You said, "It is unfair to deny them the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" for selfish gains."
So what about the people who are born after them? Why is it okay to speak for them?
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
Don't you think they also want "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", or do they not deserve it?
Originally posted by starsyren
But to those who think that even in cases of rape and incest that adoption should still be THE option to take....well, you've obviously never been held down and forcefully impregnated.
Originally posted by starsyren
Up front, I do not defend abortion as a means of birth control. But to those who think that even in cases of rape and incest that adoption should still be THE option to take....well, you've obviously never been held down and forcefully impregnated. I think the people actually making these decisions should be (or have the advice of) those who actually know what they're talking about. It's not a decision that one comes to lightly, and it's much easier to sit back in your comfy computer chairs and pass judgements on those who've laid awake at night agonizing over them.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
So far, reminding him to stay on topic has been the most effective way to keep him from destroying good discussion (like the one we are having).
Really, my only goal in this entire thread was to convey that large probability that many of us would not be here without abortions.
Just humor me. You don't have to believe it, but what if there are people who would not be alive if abortion was illegal?
You said, "It is unfair to deny them the right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" for selfish gains."
So what about the people who are born after them? Why is it okay to speak for them? Don't you think they also want "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", or do they not deserve it?