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Topic started on 14-1-2009 @ 09:14 PM by Common Truth
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Rick Sanchez does the research and finds that Israel violated the terms of the ceasefire first by killing 6 Gazans on November 4. Shouldn't media
outlets check the facts before running with a story?
There are no excuses, this is from CNN.
What do you guys think?
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 10:55 AM by bodrul
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good luck, you will get the Israeli crowd run in and come up with diffrent reasons why Israel is excepmt from ceasefires and can do as they please.
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 11:02 AM by forklift
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Yeh i am waiting too for the pro-israelis on this one.
I hope they don't come out with 'hamas are fundementalists,islamists who hide in bins in civillians areas and won the elections by forcing the
palestinians to vote for them at gun-point'.
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 11:15 AM by wise words spoken
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i only seen this on the tv news once that was in nov. ever sence its been all about hamas breakin the cease fire.. thats what they want the people to
believe, that brainwashing sh1t
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 11:22 AM by Jacob08
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Arguments over who started it are ridiculous and will only be used to justify more killing. It's been going on for so long that even if Israel did
start this latest outbreak of violence it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. If there is to be peace the finger pointing and tit for tat
violence needs to stop.
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 11:25 AM by AmericanDaughter
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Well, whoever believes a word cnnmsmabcdcbsetc says,
please stand up!
I'm sitting ...
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 11:27 AM by Anonymous ATS
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What else should we expect from CNN other than their shoddy reporting of the true facts of the matter. Seems as if they're doing another "Hanoi
Jane".
Gaza - Myths & Facts
Myth: Israel violated the ceasefire with Hamas in November, and is thus to blame for the conflict.
(...)
In fact, contrary to Khalidi, Barghouti and CNN’s Rick Sanchez, the Palestinians violated the ceasefire almost from day one. For example, the
Associated Press published on June 25, just after the truce started, an article headlined
Palestinian rockets threaten truce
The article in its lead paragraphs reported that:
Palestinian militants fired three homemade rockets into southern Israel yesterday, threatening to unravel a cease-fire days after it began, and
Israel responded by closing vital border crossings into Gaza.
Despite what it called a "gross violation" of the truce, Israel refrained from military action and said it would send an envoy soon to Egypt to work
on the next stage of a broader cease-fire agreement: a prisoner swap that would bring home an Israeli soldier held by Hamas for more than two
years.
There were many further such Palestinian violations, including dozens of rockets and mortars fired into Israel during the so-called ceasefire. And
there was also sniper fire against Israeli farmers, anti-tank rockets and rifle shots fired at soldiers in Israel, and not one but two attempts to
abduct Israeli soldiers and bring them into Gaza. Here are some of the details:
(Most of this data is from The Six Months of the Lull
Arrangement, a detailed report by the Intelligence and Terrorism Information
Center, an Israeli NGO.)
From the start of the ceasefire at 6 AM on June 19 till the incident on November 4th, the following attacks were launched against Israel from Gaza in
direct violation of the agreement:
18 mortars were fired at Israel in this period, beginning on the night of June 23.
20 rockets were fired, beginning on June 24, when 3 rockets hit the Israeli town of Sderot.
On July 6 farmers working in the fields of Nahal Oz were attacked by light arms fire from Gaza.
On the night of August 15 Palestinians fired across the border at Israeli soldiers near the Karni crossing.
On October 31 an IDF patrol spotted Palestinians planting an explosive device near the security fence in the area of the Sufa crossing. As the patrol
approached the fence the Palestinians fired two anti-tank missiles.
There were two Palestinian attempts to infiltrate from Gaza into Israel apparently to abduct Israelis. Both were major violations of the ceasefire.
(...)
Considering this long list of Palestinian attacks, charging that Israel broke the ceasefire in November is simply surreal.
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 12:00 PM by Common Truth
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yeah i actually do wonder what the pro-israel's are gonna say about this one. 
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 12:14 PM by masonwatcher
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As the truth emerges the zionists panic and hysterically throw around wild allegations.
Despite the zionist stranglehold of MSN, individual broadcasters and networks get irate and shout the truth. I hope to God the Israeli atrocities in
Gaza ends up with a world sick to death of their lies and at last do something for the Palestinians.
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 12:23 PM by Common Truth
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any predictions in whats going to happen in the next 3 months anyone???
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 12:26 PM by RFBurns
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Originally posted by Common Truth
any predictions in whats going to happen in the next 3 months anyone???
Sure...more innocent civilians will get killed. Want a ratio estimate with that prediction too?
Here it is....more innocent Palestinian civilians will be killed in this little defense genocide than Israeli civilians killed over the last year.
There you have it.
Cheers!!!!
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 12:34 PM by jdub297
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Originally posted by Common Truth
Shouldn't media outlets check the facts before running with a story?
There are no excuses, this is from CNN.
What do you guys think?
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Everyone should check facts before 'running with a story!'
How often do we see threads based on beliefs, wishes and suspicions?
CNN is an authority on nothing.
Their reporting is superficial, biased, and geared to hyperbole. It's all about viewership.
Try foreign sources, if you want a different perspective or non-American bias. "BBC World News", "The World," and Channel 4 in the UK are good
examples.
Agence France Press offers strikingly blunt reports on affairs in which the US may be involved and of which you cannot hear here.
Just because you heard it on CNN does not make it so.
Deny Ignorance.
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 01:13 PM by warriorpoet
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Originally posted by Jacob08
Arguments over who started it are ridiculous and will only be used to justify more killing. It's been going on for so long that even if Israel did
start this latest outbreak of violence it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. If there is to be peace the finger pointing and tit for tat
violence needs to stop.
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This person is correct, it saddens me greatly to see a constant barrage of 'for
and against' arguments.
Until every soul here finally accepts that the human race exists without
boundaries that separate, race/belief, then I'm afraid we will continue being
given 'lessons' that will ( one day ) teach us, at long last that ALL life, whether
here or anywhere else in the universe IS connected. It is connected thru your
heart. If conflict is your wish, then you shall recieve.
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 01:19 PM by audas
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
What else should we expect from CNN other than their shoddy reporting of the true facts of the matter. Seems as if they're doing another "Hanoi
Jane".
Gaza - Myths & Facts
Myth: Israel violated the ceasefire with Hamas in November, and is thus to blame for the conflict.
(...)
In fact, contrary to Khalidi, Barghouti and CNN’s Rick Sanchez, the Palestinians violated the ceasefire almost from day one. For example, the
Associated Press published on June 25, just after the truce started, an article headlined
Palestinian rockets threaten truce
The article in its lead paragraphs reported that:
Palestinian militants fired three homemade rockets into southern Israel yesterday, threatening to unravel a cease-fire days after it began, and
Israel responded by closing vital border crossings into Gaza.
Despite what it called a "gross violation" of the truce, Israel refrained from military action and said it would send an envoy soon to Egypt to work
on the next stage of a broader cease-fire agreement: a prisoner swap that would bring home an Israeli soldier held by Hamas for more than two
years.
There were many further such Palestinian violations, including dozens of rockets and mortars fired into Israel during the so-called ceasefire. And
there was also sniper fire against Israeli farmers, anti-tank rockets and rifle shots fired at soldiers in Israel, and not one but two attempts to
abduct Israeli soldiers and bring them into Gaza. Here are some of the details:
(Most of this data is from The Six Months of the Lull
Arrangement, a detailed report by the Intelligence and Terrorism Information
Center, an Israeli NGO.)
From the start of the ceasefire at 6 AM on June 19 till the incident on November 4th, the following attacks were launched against Israel from Gaza in
direct violation of the agreement:
18 mortars were fired at Israel in this period, beginning on the night of June 23.
20 rockets were fired, beginning on June 24, when 3 rockets hit the Israeli town of Sderot.
On July 6 farmers working in the fields of Nahal Oz were attacked by light arms fire from Gaza.
On the night of August 15 Palestinians fired across the border at Israeli soldiers near the Karni crossing.
On October 31 an IDF patrol spotted Palestinians planting an explosive device near the security fence in the area of the Sufa crossing. As the patrol
approached the fence the Palestinians fired two anti-tank missiles.
There were two Palestinian attempts to infiltrate from Gaza into Israel apparently to abduct Israelis. Both were major violations of the ceasefire.
(...)
Considering this long list of Palestinian attacks, charging that Israel broke the ceasefire in November is simply surreal.
Can we have something from a news outlet rather than your own blog and israeli sources
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 01:20 PM by tsloan
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I have an idea....... Here lets try this one on...
Job loss through the roof here is our country...
Our governement printing monopoly money and just giving it to banks who are setting aside millions in bonuses and trips
Our government growing at an un-controlled rate.
And the list goes on....and on...and....on....
So how about we start cleaning up our own back yard before we go knocking on our neighbors doors around the world and offering a hand that we don't
have or can afford to offer.... I don't know about you guys but I'm sick of footing this bill for war and then footing the bill for every C.E.O. who
can't control his companies spending and then listening to people bitch about a damn religious war thats been going on for so long the people
fighting have no idea who,what or why they are fighting.. If the Gaza wants to blow them selves up and shoot rockets everytime the blasted sun comes
up...Let them....Let them reap the reactions they set forth.... Let the chips fall where they lay. Im sick of watching this crap on the news every
time one of the idiots that live around there decide to shoot someone or blow someone up....I say screw them let them solve their own troubles and
we"ll help once they grow up and act like they can conduct business among the rest of the world instead of pointing fingers at one
another...........and tossing bullet and bombs
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 02:08 PM by sos37
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reply to post by audas
Here, try this one:
www.camera.org...
In fact, contrary to Khalidi, Barghouti and CNN’s Rick Sanchez, the Palestinians violated the ceasefire almost from day one. For example, the
Associated Press published on June 25, just after the truce started, an article headlined "Palestinian rockets threaten truce"
In fact, doing the research, the article does, in fact, exist as reported by the Boston Globe.
www.boston.com...
and clearly says:
JERUSALEM - Palestinian militants fired three homemade rockets into southern Israel yesterday, threatening to unravel a cease-fire days after it
began, and Israel responded by closing vital border crossings into Gaza.
Despite what it called a "gross violation" of the truce, Israel refrained from military action and said it would send an envoy soon to Egypt to work
on the next stage of a broader cease-fire agreement: a prisoner swap that would bring home an Israeli soldier held by Hamas for more than two
years.
The cease-fire went into effect at 6 a.m. on June 19.
June comes before November, does it not? Cease fire declared on June 19. Palestinian rockets were fired into Israel on June 24, a whole 5 days after
the truce. The article on CAMERA mentions other truce violations by the Palestinians. Israel didn't respond UNTIL November to the aggression. To me,
that's excercising considerable restraint.
So how is it that this one incident of firing three rockets wasn't considered "breaking the truce"? Were these the non-lethal kind of rockets? The
ones that shower sparklies and hearts all over the place and don't explode?
I'm not sure how Rick Sanchez is considered a reputable reporter for CNN, considering that his research findings were just laid-waste by a couple of
members of ATS.
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 02:10 PM by sos37
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Originally posted by bodrul
reply to post by Common Truth
good luck, you will get the Israeli crowd run in and come up with diffrent reasons why Israel is excepmt from ceasefires and can do as they please.
No, what we'll do is point out where CNN is clearly mistaken and direct you to the truth, as in my previous post.
Deny ignorance mean anything to you? Or is that something only the "Israeli crowd" believes in?
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reply posted on 15-1-2009 @ 02:41 PM by ModernAcademia
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the pro-zionists posts in here are nothing short of pathetic
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