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Originally posted by huckfinn
reply to post by ImaNutter
I am going to call you on this. Mr. Constitutional Authority. What does the constitution say on this matter and how does the issue contradict it?
Madison's summary of the First Amendment:
Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contrary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform (Annals of Congress, Sat Aug 15th, 1789 pages 730 - 731).
It is uncertain how many Presidents used a Bible or added the words "So help me God" at the end of the oath, as neither is required by law; unlike many other federal oaths which do include the phrase "So help me God." There is currently debate as to whether or not George Washington, the first president, added the phrase to his acceptance of the oath. All contemporary sources fail to mention Washington as adding a religious codicil to his acceptance.It is important not to conflate two forms of administering, and taking, the oath of office. The first, now in disuse, is that the administrator, usually the Chief Justice, articulated the constitutional oath, requesting an affirmation, as in, "Do you George Washington solemnly swear....." At which point a response of "I do" or "I swear" completes the oath. It is reasonable to believe that this was the common procedure at least until the swearing in of Chester A. Arthur in 1881, where the New York Times article  reports he responded to the question of accepting the oath with the words, "I will, so help me God."
It is the second, and current form of administration, where both the Chief Justice and the President articulate the oath, that appending "So Help Me God" is arguably a breach of the constitutional instructions. This is the contention of a Federal law suit filed in the District of Columbia by Michael Newdow on December 30, 2008. In this suit a distinction is made between the words spoken by the administrator, which must conform to the exact 35 words of the constitution, and the President, who has a right to add a personal prayer, such as "So Help Me God."
The earliest known source indicating Washington added "So help me God" to his acceptance, not to the oath, is attributed to Washington Irving, aged six at the time of the inauguration, and first appears 65 years after the event. Even if Irving's report is accurate, it would not by logic, law or intent alter the actual words of the oath, being more accurately described as a personal prayer by the President after completing the oath of office.
Originally posted by Razimus
Is it just me....
Or are athiests trying to bully God believers around... just because they can?
Athiests... I say this to you...
If you do not believe in God....
do you care if the president, that DOES believe in God, use the word God in a ceremony created by a bunch of guys that did believe in God?
If you hate the word God so much why don't you just boycott the event, cuz we sure as hell aren't gonna change the words around just for you.
Suck on that.
Originally posted by Exuberant1
I'd accept that if the Illuminati Symbolism was also removed - Pyramid, Eye, Phrases and even the Owl.
Originally posted by moonrat
reply to post by alyosha1981
He shouldn't swear an oath on a fictitious tome.
Really, all you God squaders don't realise how ridiculous and hypocritical it is for the president of the worlds most 'advanced' nation to declare alligance to a make believe fairytale.
Originally posted by alyosha1981
First the schools, Now the presidential Inaugural oath is next to be targeted by atheists. Why would they care if god was to be included in the oath? Hasn't this been done since George Washington took his oath? and hasn't every president elect taken their oath's with a right hand on the bible followed by the words "so help me god"? IMO this is one of those "if it's not broke don't fix it " kind of things, weather or not you believe in god should have no relevance as to the completion of the president's duties.
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Originally posted by Komodo
This is no surprise. Agnostics, want God completely out of society, and so far, seem like they are doing a pretty good job.