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Topic started on 14-1-2009 @ 08:11 PM by alyosha1981

Atheists want God stricken from inaugural oath


news.yahoo.com
WASHINGTON – President-elect Barack Obama wants to conclude his inaugural oath with the words "so help me God," but a group of atheists is asking a federal judge to stop him.

California atheist Michael Newdow sued Chief Justice John Roberts in federal court for an injunction barring the use of those words in the inaugural oath.

Newdow and other atheists and agnostics also want to stop the use of prayers during the inaugural celebration.
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reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 08:26 PM by alyosha1981
reply to post by ravenshadow13



I think it's fine to include god into the oath, this has been done always and nothing is wrong with it IMO, now if the whole country suddenly became atheist then we'd have an issue.


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 08:31 PM by alyosha1981
reply to post by MoothyKnight



Good point, I feel that the issue that the atheist's need to explore her is not the oath, but weather the belief's of the president elect effect his decision making skills. So what if any given president believes in a higher power, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and it's not as if presidents shove them down our throats anyway.


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 08:38 PM by alyosha1981
reply to post by Mikey84



Exactly! that"s my point. Now on the flip side what would people say if a president elect happened to be atheist and wanted to omit god from the oath? would the majority label him/her as "unAmerican" They already managed to have the pledge removed from schools due to the "one nation under god" line.

[edit on 14-1-2009 by alyosha1981]


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 08:54 PM by Jenna
Some people just look for reasons to cause a fuss and Michael Newdow is one of those people. He's the one who filed a lawsuit basically claiming that the Pledge of Allegiance harmed his daughter because he's an atheist, and presumably she is too.

Something that struck me as rather amusing is this paragraph from the article about him on
wikipedia.

Newdow is an atheist and an ordained minister of the Universal Life Church. In 1997, he started an organization called FACTS (First Amendment Church of True Science), which advocates strong separation of church and state in public institutions.


Bit ironic that he's an atheist minister, isn't it.


Back to the topic at hand, even though I'm not a religious person by any definition I don't see what the fuss is all about. It's not like anyone is being forced to say "so help me God". If Obama wants to say that phrase during his inauguration, then that's his choice.


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 08:56 PM by alyosha1981
reply to post by Mikey84



Well people said we'd never see an African American president didn't they and look what happened. I just point that out to question the changing levels of understanding in the American people as it pertains to the question I posed in my last post. I know the ideal candidate possess a "rounded out" lifestyle wich includes being religious, but could we see that change? Possibly.


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 09:07 PM by alyosha1981
reply to post by nerbot



Only if snoop dog or master p became the president elect never in a million years would they change it to that. I do see what you mean however.


reply posted on 14-1-2009 @ 09:11 PM by alyosha1981
reply to post by ReelView



Ya I know, give us "other" stuff to argue over to keep us from the real issues! I agree.
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