Derren Brown - UK Channel 4 last night

reply to post by StarsDownToEarth

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NLP is a more powerful one, and by your reply not one youve looked into

Bandler and Grinder were the ones who pulled all the ideas together to form what we now know as NLP and created most of the early techniques, Derren uses nlp often slight of mouth, anchoring, reframing

you read the message and saw it doesnt make complete sense gramatically, i read it and saw the intent




[edit on 18/1/09 by noobfun]

Derren Brown is one of my favorite entertainers, did any one see the episode when he put a plastic bag over his head and stopped his hart then went about some strange business i cant recall but it was very real and very dangerous and impressive

reply to post by stealthyaroura

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that was 'somthing wicked this way comes, if i remember right he did it right before he started running around on glass and eating it

No need to seek or learn - I am already very familiar with NLP. I was referring to Bandler's (in)famous past use of coke. I won't be certain to not look up Bandlers weird claim about seeing another person's visualised images.

There's some NLP stuff (or similar techniques) that Derren does use, but I really don't think it's 'orthodox NLP' if you could call it that, mainly because as a stage performer he needs to be completely successful or his trick/effect will not work. I don't think that NLP has the certainty in results that it's proponents claim (although it's far from useless) and certainty is needed if it's was going to be the complete basis of Derren's act.

It appears (or appears to appear) very strongly in Something Wicked This Way Comes, but even then I'm not sure that NLP is the complete explanation. With Derren, it's not just his 'victims' that are subject to his wonderful trickery, it's the audience at home too.

It is blatantly used when he visits a casino and convinces a woman her car's a different colour (lots of anchoring, reframing and so on).

He is a slippery chap - and that's why he's the best at what he does.

And how on earth did he do the gorilla thing? That was SO quick!

That bit's done (or can be done) with a golf ball. I won't spoil how, though.

I absolutely love the guy (not to mention having a slight crush on the poor bugger, haha!).
I saw this when I was at my cousins flat this week (been in London working), we met up with my uncle, who's best friend works with Derren Brown and helps him to create these amazing stunts. I said I wanted to meet the pair of them, then thought otherwise incase Derren decides to try and read my mind (would be pretty scary, haha!)

I want to see him on tour, that'd be so good!!

Derren Brown states that he is not involved in NLP, he uses some similar techniques, but considers NLP mostly a fraud. After I looked into it, I consider many of the NLP groups that came from Bandler and others to be cults

If this is your interpretation of what happened; that he convinced the woman her car was a different color than you really should disregard your stupid little cocaine comment and actually research a bit more into Milton H. Erickson and his color blind studies.

If you are going to be so fickle as to judge Richard on something he used to do and disregard the person and the contributions he's made over a bunch of rumors about his past than you are merely out for shock value and aren't very familiar with NLP at all.

[edit on 1/18/2009 by PuRe EnErGy]

theres never not time to learn more

you can see if you look closley lots of it is grounded in NLP but thats just ,scratch the surface

such as the image variance for the cash amounts, its the reframing bad experiences by making images brighter/darker bigger/smaller

he also uses what was taught to me as sales techniques,

sheep factor: most people will, many people would

because everyones an 'individual' if you ask them and they prove this by going off and finding other individuals very similar to themselves to be friends with, we are all individuals just like everyone else as the saying ,noes

fear of loss: 500 is great but 5000 IS, this is your last chance

its the buy ,now or miss the chance technique

he uses a wide variety of techniques from NLP, conversational hypontism(basically advances on NLPs spoken techniques), standardised hypnotism, sales tricks, phsychology techniques, subliminals, body language reading and a whole gammet more, you have to admire the guy for his knowledge and research skills and then for finding ways to use them on stage or in street performances

the beauty of it is not just his showmanship doing it but the re-working of it for stagemanship, i disagree with you that knowing how some of it is done spoils it, its like knowing a sunsets just light particles refreacting on molecules in the upper atmosphere makes a sunset, or a rainbow is just water and light doesnt make them any less beautiful to see



that only works in his advantage, if youve paid for a ticket to go or decided to spend (some of your valuable time)the next hour sat watching him on tv your already in the mindset



and if memory serves me with the drunken student you can spot him anchoring the sensation to his left knee, then when the student gets the text i think he touches his own left knee to trigger it (only seen the clip once so dont quote me on it if im mistaken)

aint he just ^_^

remove most of the back and legs and put a slit from the neck hole down to where the backs missing(just after it hooks the shoulders) and strengthen the feet section at the front so they hold position and only the front 1/2 of his shoe hold it in place

someone off stage holds it up to the right height and holds it open at the slit where the shoulders go he only needs to walk forward with his arms forward then to get the arms and step into the two feet section (only got to get the tips in, it will slide into place with the first step, becasue the shoulder bits rubberised it will go into place when the guy lets go holding the suit in place with the tension between the toe sectioin and shoulder section holding it tight so the sides dont flop about when he appears

and a second guy to plonk the head on the second he steps into the suit 2-3 seconds and he is spun around and stepping from behind the curtain

the voice just takes 2 recordings and a sound engineer with a tiny bit of timming sense, play the first message wait for the audience to react to the gorilla play the second one

well thats how id do it anyway

did you just scratch your noes?



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I've seen the guy 3 times live, including the televised show of Something Wicked, you can actually see me in the audience. I love what he does, simple or not simple, it's still quite mind boggeling. Personally I don't want to know how he does things, although I have read all his books. Which are very entertaining..

Going to see him live in April as well..

easy tiger

the casino comment refers to his obvious (he used the word blatant) use of nlp techniques of anchoring and a swish pattern in this clip

www.metacafe.com... sorry cant embed is metacafe, all the youtube versions are explained versions, this clips slowed down slightly so you can spot the commands easier if your know what your looking for

and making a joke about bandlers cocaine use? big deal i remeber one of his old tapes he was talking about when they did acid at college and used to put it on sugar cubes and his flat mate made a coffee and used a couple of them without knowing

Yeah, shock value. Chill out.

I've got a massive respect for Erickson and a lot of respect for Bandler, but if someone really does claim to be able to 'see' something you are visualising with NLP techniques (or any other I can think of) I really cannot take that statement seriously.

NLP has some excellent techniques in its arsenal (ie the fast phobia cure, which is fantastic), but it does have it's limitations and in some cases pretty flawed concepts (such as eye access cues).



Personally I like not knowing completely how he's done something. It's a combination of frustration and childish glee. Although I don't like them in some ways, I love the way Penn and Teller do a fairly conventional trick, explain it, but then turn the explanation into something even more confounding.



No, sorry. :-/

I hope people have read this thread for the discussion between Brown and Richard Dawkins.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 18-1-2009 by StarsDownToEarth]

When I was watching the programme I was sure it was going to be the five grand. The way I articulated it to myself was that he was going to be dramatic, and it's more dramatic to have the chance of losing £5k than £500.

Now I'm starting to wonder where that rationalisation came from. I missed the whole brighter image thing completely. Duhh.

I forget which, but if I remember correctly, one of the images was greener (like the cover of the box), the other had a more yellow tint.

ive just double checked the original images shown at the start are the same size the 5k is a brighter iamge and yes the metal top and bottom are colour tinted green 500 and yellow 5000

when he makes the choice the 500 image has the green tint but the image is much smaller (about 1/2 the size)

hadnt spotted the colouring before was busy focusing on the wording he used at the start, which also give a clue when he is introducing it

www.channel4.com... run to the end of the first half so it buffers the second part then skim forward to 13 minutes exactly and youll see the size differance


[edit on 18/1/09 by noobfun]

It is all fake, it is TV entertainment and nothing more, camera tricks, slight of hand, audience participation ( co-operation )

Do you really think a guy can float or whatever, or climb through glass ?


People are so gullible


PS..this comes from a guy who believes in the spirit realms, demons, alternate dimensions etc.

But i can tell you this is fake!


here is a hint... TV RATINGS = MONEY

[edit on 18-1-2009 by Gears Of War]

This is Derren Brown, not that twonk David Blaine.

Haven't you ever heard him (Bandler) talking about when he was helping a certain 3 lettered organization with psychics? and he spoke about the lady that wasn't exactly psychic but could pick up on the pictures people made in their head?

Anyway, no need for settling down, .. think of what you would say to him in person, I'm sure that cocaine comment wouldn't be one of the things you say.

I've heard him talk about drugs and drug use lots, but your statement/comment sounded like an attack on his character more than a silly joke.

reply to post by Gears Of War

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he also says its illusion magic tricks and skill nothing to do with psychic crap

and if you believe in demons ghosties etc but dont believe the guys really skilled at what he does it may be time for a chat with the rational response squad .. want me to find thier website for ya?

and if your read even a couple of the replies on here we discussing ways he does the tricks, so no its not real magic like dragons and fairies stuff we know and at least try and get the right guy thats just wanten ignorance running rampant

p.s. the gorilla change i checked that too he has 6 seconds from leaving the stage till the reappear more then enough time to do it if its how i think it was done

[edit on 18/1/09 by noobfun]

Like I mentioned, I've seen his shows several times, including one show that was filmed. And there was no camera tricks there.. Everything that happens on the screen happened on the stage..