Israeli army masses along Lebanon border , page 4

reply to post by munkey66

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Sometimes, but not often, some of the poorest fighters are also the most stupid. The only thing they seem capable of is starting fights, and getting their asses kicked.

It's an odd phenomenon, but periodically shows up now and then.

reply to post by Animal

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Israel has existed for thousands of years. Muslims invaded Israel. The Palestinians speak of Israel killing their children while brainwashing their children to blow themselves up for Allah. They are hypocrites.

reply to post by golemina

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You see, that's the problem with being stupid. You often require a lot more convincing than do normal, rational, prudent people.

So when dealing with stupidity, it often requires increasingly heavy-handed tactics.

There's just no fixing stupidity.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by munkey66

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Sometimes, but not often, some of the poorest fighters are also the most stupid. The only thing they seem capable of is starting fights, and getting their asses kicked.

It's an odd phenomenon, but periodically shows up now and then.

You did not respond to my earlier post where I mentioned that Israel lost twice to Lebanon in very recent history. In 2000 Israel fled from Lebanon after having occupied it since the 80's, and in 2006 they fled from Lebanon after just a few months. Surely Israel wouldn't want to try again so soon would they?

reply to post by Leto

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Leto, your claims that Israel lost to Hizballah is a bit confusing.

Israel lost five tanks. 119 men.

Hizballah lost 600 men.

If that's your idea of an asskicking by Hizballah, then you go right on ahead and think that.

I will say the Israelis uncharacteristically made a few mistakes, likely due to political restraints. But the Israelis never make the same errors twice, and these problem areas have been addressed.

I think if it occurs again, Hizballah will lose worse than they can believe. And by the way, it's real easy and real brave to dress in civilian clothes and do your fighting.

On top of that, you get to claim that more "civilians" were killed, and don't have to claim your Hizballah as dead. Makes the numbers look better.

That way you get a lot of innocent civilians killed.

But like with Hamas, Hizballah doesn't give a $#!T about civilians.

That's something to really be proud of.

Good for you.


[edit on 14-1-2009 by dooper]

[edit on 14-1-2009 by dooper]

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by Leto

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Leto, your claims that Israel lost to Hizballah is a bit confusing.

Israel lost five tanks. 119 men.
Hizballah lost 600 men.

If that's your idea of an asskicking by Hizballah, then you go right on ahead and think that.

I will say the Israelis uncharacteristically made a few mistakes, likely due to political restraints. But the Israelis never make the same errors twice, and these problem areas have been addressed.

I think if it occurs again, Hizballah will lose worse than they can believe. And by the way, it's real easy and real brave to dress in civilian clothes and do your fighting.

On top of that, you get to claim that more "civilians" were killed, and don't have to claim your Hizballah as dead. Makes the numbers look better.
That way you get a lot of innocent civilians killed.
But like with Hamas, Hizballah doesn't give a $#!T about civilians.

That's something to really be proud of.

Good for you.

Twice Israel has invaded Lebanon each time with a different goal, and twice they were sent back home having accomplished absolutely nothing except countless innocent deaths. I'd say that's two losses, wouldn't you agree?

You seem to be claiming that the high number of innocent casualties isn't to be trusted, that soldiers can easily dress as civilians. Well I for one would like to see how a soldier can dress as a 3 year old boy. Seems to me that would be pretty hard to do, wouldn't it? Some of the innocent civilians killed were even younger than that.

Do you by any chance believe the Red Cross lies whenever it reports that hospitals are filled to the brim with injured children and women from Israel's attacks?

[edit on 14-1-2009 by Leto]

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by Leto

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Leto, your claims that Israel lost to Hizballah is a bit confusing.

Israel lost five tanks. 119 men.

Hizballah lost 600 men.

If that's your idea of an asskicking by Hizballah, then you go right on ahead and think that.

I will say the Israelis uncharacteristically made a few mistakes, likely due to political restraints. But the Israelis never make the same errors twice, and these problem areas have been addressed.

I think if it occurs again, Hizballah will lose worse than they can believe. And by the way, it's real easy and real brave to dress in civilian clothes and do your fighting.

On top of that, you get to claim that more "civilians" were killed, and don't have to claim your Hizballah as dead. Makes the numbers look better.

That way you get a lot of innocent civilians killed.

But like with Hamas, Hizballah doesn't give a $#!T about civilians.

That's something to really be proud of.

Good for you.


[edit on 14-1-2009 by dooper]

[edit on 14-1-2009 by dooper]

I think people are confused here on what a victory is and isn't.

The Israelis did not accomplish all of their objectives.

Somehow this in turn causes others to conclude that the Israelis didn't "win" so they must have lost.

The problem is that Hezbollah didn't accomplish any more resolution than the Israelis, both are still capable of attacking the other.

In earlier times, this would of been called a Draw. Neither side accomplished any resolution. The conflict has still not been resolved. Both sides still have the capability to attack the other. No one surrendered. No one capitulated.

In other words no one in the end really won. Hezbollah cannot take credit for anything.



[edit on 14/1/09 by MikeboydUS]

reply to post by dooper

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They let (IDF) them reach the Litani after the cease fire. It was an imperative goal for IDF, without it, it would have been a catastrophe.

UN are now between Litani and the border.

The losses on Israeli side were a shame. The Golani units were humiliated. they had to fight back with fragmenting bombs and again forbiden weapons in civilian zone.

They lost many choppers...reported to be all accidental losses.

And a brand new Ship received a missile on the bridge. Busting a chopper on the deck and killing 4.

IDF made a nice commando operation, reported to be in order to capture iranians instructors......but mostly to recover prisonners made by Hizballah.

If Israel wants to take Iran, it must secure its own border first, that is maybe why they are attacking Gaza strip now.

2006, did anyone won ? not civilians, Lebanon lost, Hizballah won, Israel didn't won. USA lost.

Usa lost, because each building, bridge, school destroyed By IAF in Beyruth, Hizballah posted pannels '' Made in USA '' and was presented all around the world (Except Faux and co), each days the operation was going on.

Israel bombed on UN position killing supposed allied servicemen, like Canada. Many foreigns from friendly nation visiting in Lebanon, were killed by IAF.

Hizballah is rearmed, still there, and the day IDF went back their side the border, Hizballah putted their flag back on the israeli nose.

Things are going get worse before they get better.

reply to post by golemina

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For the record, the IDF kicked ass in Lebanon in 2006. To hide their true humiliation, Hezbollah switched a huge portion of the body count to the civilians casualties column.

If hizballah was targetting civilians the death toll would have been much greater. Clearly they were aiming at IDF military. Hizballah did not target hospitals, schools, homes, UN buildings, airports...etc. An example Israel should follow.

If Israels intention was to target Hammas (a minority group) they wouldn't be attacking with a bombardment of huge missiles, cluster bombs and chemical weapons on a densley populated civilian area and would be using a little more discretion.

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