Dirty muslim wretches, doing this on our streets, shouting cowards at the police? there the damn cowards, bet they wouldn't do that in their own country. Watching this video has really got my back up, im sorry if my words seem harsh or even racist, i assure you i'm not racist, but gaaaah, i dunno what else to say in my current furious state. The police should have culled the herd IMO.

Bye all means those guys are entitled to a protest, Nothing wrong there..
But you cross the " line in the sand " .. That's it Gloves off and face the might off real Riot police and UK armed forces, Water cannons FRGs snatch squads then due process to the nearest POW camp IMO

Whining about it on here seems to be the limit of what the British seem willing, or able, to do.

We already have creatures like Richard Reid rotting in our jails. An otherwise "normal" Brit who converted to Islam and chose to celebrate that fact by blowing up an airliner full of people.

Step forward a hundred years - what do you think Britain will look like then?

The British are beyond help, we need to sever the diseased limb.

Originally posted by Retseh


The British are beyond help, we need to sever the diseased limb.

Please be VERY clear what you mean by this statement. Since watching that video, i have come to realise i am a patriot? of my country. For hundreds of years we have faced battle and stood our ground, in our greatest challenge in WWII, we stood our ground, WE turned the tide of that war, not America, not France or Russia, granted without them we may not have succeded. That war nearly finished us financially, but we struggled through it. We are a small country, but our hearts are strong, and it breaks my heart to see things like that video, to see what we are putting up with. So please tell me what you mean by sever the diseased limb, I hope to god I have mis-interpreted what you mean.



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Have I ever mentioned how much I hate thugs?

Because, man I really hate thugs.

The Bobbies did there job. Those men who quite obviously think that they are so awesome are threatening police in Britian. They don't give a rat's hind end about Palestine. They are using it as a reason to cause trouble and try and engage the authorities.

The Bobbies didn't take the bait.

As a Brit, I have mixed feelings about this.
Generally our police are not armed. Plus they are traditionally less violent than cops in other countries. It's an approach which has worked - till now. But I think changes are coming. In this case it appears they were outflanked and beating a tactical retreat. Better than an all out battle IMO.
But I have to ask - is this differential policing? I used to work in an area where a certain ethnic group prevailed. It was the perception of many, including me - that policing was a lot lighter in this area due to 'cultural sensitivities'. In other words, normal law of the land didn't seem to apply. I'll bet the police were under instruction to avoid anything which might be construed as racial harassment and consequently they took a 'softly softly' approach to the pervasive drug peddling, traffic infringements etc.
It was a standing joke that if you were white and tried it a couple of miles up the road, you would not get away with it.
I think this is a blinkered approach which will just lead to bigger problems in the longer term.

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What's the big deal? No laws were broken that i can see. When someone did get close to upsetting the apple cart, they got dealt with, swiftly and within reason.

Freedom of religion, freedom of expression and the right to protest. All in action, and the police didn't inhibit any of it.

Good on them, for once.

Also, Retseh, my dear old thing, your rants are getting a bit predictable now. Some new material may be in order. I admire your commitment to admonishing us weak-livered limeys though. Do you get an erection when you see a thread with the word British in it?

The police were not cowards or running away in fear, they were keeping the peace, and considering the attitudes of some in the crowd I have to admire the self control, they exhibited. I say that grudgingly as I am not a supporter of the British police in general terms.

It does not matter if others in the crowd call them cowards because the police officers were not taking orders from them, they were taking orders from their own superiors who would have been determined to make sure the protest did not degenerate into a riot. If the riot had come you can be sure that the police would have become a totally different animal. I have seen how quickly this can happen, having seen the Brixton riots of the late seventies when the national front used to march in huge crowds through Peckham and Camberwell.

The police kept pace with the crowd and dealt with several who got a little too aggressive with several swift blows with a baton. Some police officers lagged behind for sure and seeing their mistake they ran to keep up with their colleagues, not because they were cowards but because the strength of a police unit in that situation is to stay as a coherent force.

What were they expected to do, deal blow for blow with the crowd and trade insults? Come on the Police are following a stick code of conduct with a preset objective that would have been briefed to them at the beginning. The protesters mistook their actions, sensed blood and gave vent to their emotions is how I see it.

The protesters are lucky in my opinion that they did not get what they had been wishing for.

I think the police handled this superbly, this crowd wasn't exclusively asian or exclusively muslim, the trouble causers were a minority. The shouts of Allah Akhbar and Kufur were answered by only a few replies and I heard the same voices shouting the insults over and over.

You can guarantee there would have been plenty of CCTV and video footage taken of the trouble causers and I'm certain there'll be action taken to track down the people identified as trying to incite violence, as has happened at previous demonstrations of this type.

This wasn't as bad as some of the demonstrations I've seen over the years with muslims holding up signs calling on people to commit terrorist attrocities, and those weren't broken up either but plenty of people wound up behind bars in the weeks afterwards.

As mentioned before, our police tend to take the "softly-softly" approach more often, and especially where minorities are concerned. In some parts of this country there are real social tensions between ethnicities and the police being heavy-handed is just going to inflame things. The police prefer to stand aside, let those with a desire to cause trouble identify themselves and quietly scoop them up after everything has died down.

Imagine if the police had charged in with batons, given us a juicy video of a few minority heads getting bashed in, instead of 50 troublemakers at the next demo there'd be 500 troublemakers, every cardboard terrorist in the country would be out screaming "Allah Akhbar" in the streets.

I prefer my extremists to shout at coppers in the streets and carry anti-war placards than hide in bedsits plotting to hijack planes and kill innocents.